Making a 4CM snake!

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Does anyone know of a manufacturer that makes a small cable that doesn't cost a small fortuin? I know George L makes .155 but I don't want to pay $100+ for 50' of it. I have seen the recommendations for btpa, I'm a DYI'er and want to build it myself.
 
I love this stuff for snakes and pedalboards.
Smart wire Rack Pack. Way better performance over Mogami and similar stuff. ..especially for not rolling off highs from capacitance. Not super flexible though.

This was left over from a big church install. I have built several snakes with this cable.

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Maybe not exactly what you're thinking of, but redco.com has 4 channel snake cable from different manufacturers. They also have Canare miniature instrument cable that's @ .157.

https://www.redco.com/Redco-Snake-Cable/
https://www.redco.com/Canare-GS-4.html
+1 for this approach. The 4 channel cable will make a much more compact snake. Bundling multiple cables - each with their own braided shield and external jacket - will make for a needlessly bulky assembly. Just put a couple of layers of shrink wrap on the ends, plus shrink wrap on the plugs, and you'll have a commercial-quality build.
 
Gonna be very hard to make a quality snake, even done your self for less than $100.00
Maybe so but I want to keep the costs to a minimum if at all possible which is why Im posting the question! ;)
I love this stuff for snakes and pedalboards.
Smart wire Rack Pack. Way better performance over Mogami and similar stuff. ..especially for not rolling off highs from capacitance. Not super flexible though.

This was left over from a big church install. I have built several snakes with this cable.

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Ok I'm going to sound a little uninformed here but how do I use 2 conductor for an unbalanced run does that not pose an impedance mismatch? I have a 800' of that stuff laying around... If I can use that then I'm barking up the wrong tree. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think I heard any difference between the drain and one conductor grounded vs just the drain as ground. You could easily test by removing the drain wire at one end.

But you make a good point. The impedance is typically in balanced cables higher ..between either of the 2 conductors and the drain wire vs. between just the 2 conductors.

Paralleling capacitance is additive.

The only place capacitance bothered my signal is from the passive fx loop send in my BadCat or Matchless amps. .. and in the pedalboard wiring. A buffer on the amp send for a lowZ send helped a lot.

Since you have 800' it's an easy solution to try. When I pulled out my old snake made from typical guitar cables and re-wired the pedalboard, pulling out the mogami and putting in the balanced mini xlr cable ..the highs were immediately better, even without the buffer on the amp side of the fx send.
 
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Making a snake out of four discrete cables is certainly an option, and if you have the materials already at hand, it's a frugal approach as well. But it's going to be needlessly bulky.

Studios and live production companies use big multichannel snakes all the time. If you compare a relatively simple 12-channel XLR snake with the combined size of 12 individual XLR cables, there is a huge difference in size. Why? Each XLR cable will have conductors that are wrapped in a shield, inside a rubber jacket. There is a lot of redundant packaging, compounded by every additional line. Audio XLR snakes have lots of individual conductors, often in a group that is shielded, which are then all wrapped inside a final ground shield, and ultimately wrapped in a single outer sheath to protect them. There are plenty of sources for multichannel low / high impedance bulk cable, and you can then solder you own ends onto the cable.

My $0.02: when fabricating a custom cable assembly, prioritize reliability, ease of use, weight, and size. Professional multipin connectors make setup much faster and eliminate patching errors, so you might consider using a Neutrik 8 pin XLR at each end, instead of 4 x 1/4 inch phone plugs (provided you can integrate the corresponding jack on your gear or mount a connection D box at each end).
 
I don't think I heard any difference between the drain and one conductor grounded vs just the drain as ground. You could easily test by removing the drain wire at one end.

But you make a good point. The impedance is typically in balanced cables higher ..between either of the 2 conductors and the drain wire vs. between just the 2 conductors.

Paralleling capacitance is additive.

The only place capacitance bothered my signal is from the passive fx loop send in my BadCat or Matchless amps. .. and in the pedalboard wiring. A buffer on the amp send for a lowZ send helped a lot.

Since you have 800' it's an easy solution to try. When I pulled out my old snake made from typical guitar cables and re-wired the pedalboard, pulling out the mogami and putting in the balanced mini xlr cable ..the highs were immediately better, even without the buffer on the amp side of the fx send.
Fair enough!

I will give it a shot and see if it's going to cause any unwanted issues. I will be running it to the Synergy Syn 1 box fx send and return.

I was playing through it last night for about an hour using the Z Wreck mod and it was just killer sounding! As soon as the Syn 20 IR head comes out I will be on that train for sure.

Making a snake out of four discrete cables is certainly an option, and if you have the materials already at hand, it's a frugal approach as well. But it's going to be needlessly bulky.

Studios and live production companies use big multichannel snakes all the time. If you compare a relatively simple 12-channel XLR snake with the combined size of 12 individual XLR cables, there is a huge difference in size. Why? Each XLR cable will have conductors that are wrapped in a shield, inside a rubber jacket. There is a lot of redundant packaging, compounded by every additional line. Audio XLR snakes have lots of individual conductors, often in a group that is shielded, which are then all wrapped inside a final ground shield, and ultimately wrapped in a single outer sheath to protect them. There are plenty of sources for multichannel low / high impedance bulk cable, and you can then solder you own ends onto the cable.

My $0.02: when fabricating a custom cable assembly, prioritize reliability, ease of use, weight, and size. Professional multipin connectors make setup much faster and eliminate patching errors, so you might consider using a Neutrik 8 pin XLR at each end, instead of 4 x 1/4 inch phone plugs (provided you can integrate the corresponding jack on your gear or mount a connection D box at each end).
The 2 conductor cable I have is pretty small, I would say it's about as big as the .155 George L. 5 of those would be just a tad larger than a heavy duty standard guitar cable so it shouldn't be too bad. The 5th one would handle the channel switching. Toying with the idea of running power down the snake for the VP as well. I will have to look at voltage drop to see if that's going to be an issue.

I only going about 15' in total length, nothing super long. I will take a look at running an 8 pin XLR, I could see that working at the pedalboard Temple Audio Duo 17 but I'm not sure how I would tackle that at the Synergy end of the deal. Maybe just do the end at the board for the simplicity and color code for the Syn1. Either way the ends and sheath are going to be the expensive part!
 
I don't know your setup, but don't you in fact just need three cables bundled together with cable ties or strips. And then another mono cable for connecting the guitar to the modeller?
 
I use multi-channel snake cable and build to application. I've built a couple of multi-cable snakes, they are a pain in the a$$ to manage if it's more than 2 cables, especially full size instrument cables zip-tied together. I've done both the zip-tie and Tech-Flex sleeving and prefer the latter if I'm not using snake cable as the Tech-Flex lets the individual cables move a bit along the length making the whole thing more manageable especially when coiling properly.

I've built quite a few snake cables over the years with many different configs, not only just audio (balanced & unbalanced) in the snake, MIDI, DC Power & Amp switching connections as well without any ill effects or interference/cross talk.

It's hard to find a cable that is suited to your exact needs, so I just usually build them myself. I always use Neutrik/Rean connectors for reliability.

In the US, Redco Audio is a great source for raw cable and components. The Canare brand has been 100% trouble free for me and is decently priced.

https://www.redco.com/Bulk-Snake-Cable/

I don’t have any affiliation with Redco other than being a very satisfied customer.

I use adhesive lined heat shrink where the fan starts, but you need to be real careful not to melt the Tech-Flex if you color code the wires. I shield it with aluminum foil.

IMO the color coding is a necessity if gigging regularly.

This one is carrying MIDI, TRS for a rack wah Controller, 9VDC & audio to the pedalboard tuner.

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I don't know your setup, but don't you in fact just need three cables bundled together with cable ties or strips. And then another mono cable for connecting the guitar to the modeller?
Yes! 3 for the sends and return but I might need a few more, one for power to the VP4 and the other for channel switching the Syn 1. All of which can be sent down balanced 2 conductor!

So others know this snake will not be subject to a heavy use environment, even so I will be building it to be fairly durable!
 
Maybe not exactly what you're thinking of, but redco.com has 4 channel snake cable from different manufacturers. They also have Canare miniature instrument cable that's @ .157.

https://www.redco.com/Redco-Snake-Cable/
https://www.redco.com/Canare-GS-4.html

I use the Redco snake cable and it works great. I've even sent low voltage control signals (for switching amp channels/functions) and MIDI along with my audio feeds, and had no issues with noise. And because the Redco has 2 conductors in each of the inner bundles, for 4cm with a mono rig I've run the FX loop send/return on the same inner bundle (with shared ground).

For my FM3 rig for 'silent stage' gigs, I run the following through the Redco snake to connect between my Rolls PM351 and the PA:

1. Guitar L to PA (balanced XLR)
2. Guitar R to PA (balanced XLR)
3. vocal to PA (balanced XLR)
4. band monitor mix return from PA (balanced XLR on PA end, TRS on my end to plug into PM351)
 
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