Line6 Helix Stadium

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vangrieg said:
I’m running a mike through FM3 anyway, so the single point of failure isn’t going anywhere. But in addition to it, there’s some additional crappy equipment and cabling that’s more likely to fail than the FM3.

Yes it is more reliable to have everything separate, but it also makes thing more complex, more expensive, bigger, heavier, and introduces additional points of failure, so the whole point is philosophical.

If you’re worried a out single points of failure don’t use modelers (after all having drive pedals and reverbs separate is more reliable by your logic), don’t put them all in a pedalboard (what if power supply fails), etc.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response instead of single words. I wouldn't run anything through my FM3 live but my guitar. I have a dedicated lightweight digital mixer, and lightweight media devices. More money? Perhaps a LOT more money. So yes I agree there, but not bigger, not heavier. Yes you have more points of failure, but those are well demarcated and won't stop a show like a single device doing everything. Again back to the all-in-one computer concept.

So not philosophical at all. I don't worry because I can work around everything live but flying vomit and power failure. Which is what losing an all in one would be close to.
 
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At the end of the day I'll take all the risk of having one point of failure over having to manage an aggregate patchwork of devices. I've been extremely aggressively protective of my modellers up to now and haven't had any problems, and I'd much rather have one standard carrying case than having to hunt down the right one with the right dimensions or custom dimensions and potentially have it be unusable if I change anything significant to my floorprint doodad addons.
 
meat said:
At the end of the day I'll take all the risk of having one point of failure over having to manage an aggregate patchwork of devices. I've been extremely aggressively protective of my modellers up to now and haven't had any problems, and I'd much rather have one standard carrying case than having to hunt down the right one with the right dimensions or custom dimensions and potentially have it be unusable if I change anything significant to my floorprint doodad addons.
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You know I am fine with that. It doesn't affect me. No argument there and I sincerely hope you continue to never have issues.
 
vangrieg said:
The question doesn’t have any practical significance.



How many are using fractal products to their full potential? Why does it matter at all?
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It is a significant question and valid.
How many products are used to their full potential? Point is that this is really branching out into a workstation type unit that the majority of your hobbyist guitarists (who buy this stuff) won't ever need. Don't take it personal, it's not an attack on the product, just an observation.
 
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meat said:
The FM3 only has one pair of XLR outputs
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This was a point of consideration for me. The FM9 has the two pair of XLR outputs and more power, but it was the small form factor of the FM3 that won out. I like having it on my small desk.
 
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I get a chuckle from this thread remembering, back in the dark ages 1980s, what good-sounding, reliable gigging FOH mixers, effects, and stage amp rigs used to cost, how heavy they were, and how much space they took up. We're absolutely spoiled and pampered in 2025. Anyone who has had the pleasure of lugging around a Yamaha PM2000 and a 4 foot tall rack of processing gear knows this, let alone the PA system amp rack.

If your gig is serious enough, in 2025, the cost of a fully identical backup modeling rig and/or digital mixing console is chicken feed.
Stop yer whining! ;) :p
 
jimfist said:
I get a chuckle from this thread remembering, back in the dark ages 1980s, what good-sounding, reliable gigging FOH mixers, effects, and stage amp rigs used to cost, how heavy they were, and how much space they took up. We're absolutely spoiled and pampered in 2025. Anyone who has had the pleasure of lugging around a Yamaha PM2000 and a 4 foot tall rack of processing gear knows this, let alone the PA system amp rack.

If your gig is serious enough, in 2025, the cost of a fully identical backup modeling rig and/or digital mixing console is chicken feed.
Stop yer whining! ;) :p
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You're not wrong, at all, but the vast majority of people's gigs AREN'T that level of serious!
 
Dr.Lee said:
Outside of electrical events, it will be fairly rare that you would lose your vocal mic, tracks, lights, and whatever else your performance includes simultaneously. Using the Helix Stadium fully as designed will dramatically increase the risk of full show stoppage if your big pedal has an unplanned event
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I don’t think they’re trying to get stadium acts to run their show through a Helix…

From what I gather it’s also been mostly marketed towards acts that currently dont do any of this because they either find it to complicated, don’t want/or can’t afford to go buy a bunch of separate gear to do so, and it’s an additional feature to get their foot in the door. Further to your point, most acts that are in control of all of those things themselves are probably running it through a 500 dollar laptop that’s 5 years old lol. I’d probably take the helix in the odds of failure.

Lot of doom and gloom here.
 
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dws2384 said:
I don’t think they’re trying to get stadium acts to run their show through a Helix…

From what I gather it’s also been mostly marketed towards acts that currently dont do any of this because they either find it to complicated, don’t want, or can’t afford to go buy a bunch of separate gear to do so and it’s an additional feature to get their foot in the door. Further to your point, most acts that are in control of all of those things themselves are probably running it through a 500 dollar laptop that’s 5 years old lol. I’d probably take the helix in the odds of failure.

Lot of doom and gloom here.
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Agree, this is for local bands, not big touring acts.
 
dws2384 said:
I don’t think they’re trying to get stadium acts to run their show through a Helix…

From what I gather it’s also been mostly marketed towards acts that currently dont do any of this because they either find it to complicated, don’t want, or can’t afford to go buy a bunch of separate gear to do so and it’s an additional feature to get their foot in the door. Further to your point, most acts that are in control of all of those things themselves are probably running it through a 500 dollar laptop that’s 5 years old lol. I’d probably take the helix in the odds of failure.

Lot of doom and gloom here.
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Fair points as presented. I get what they are trying to do with the product. I think it is too unfocused but they have to differentiate somehow.
 
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