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It's 2020, why can't we have a completely wireless set up?

GlennO

Experienced
when I was in grade school we went on a field trip to a factory cant remember where but our teacher showed us a engine that was cut in half in a glass case and the teacher told us that this is a synthetic motor that runs with no moving parts that has a lifetime warrantee but the automotive industry will not produce it because it would hurt them.
5 stars.
 

Snedecor

Inspired
For power, I'd vote on a funnel to capture spilled beer and route it to a fuel cell.

For the comm protocol, I'd vote on something tcp-like with 2way handshaking to help guarantee message delivery.
 

grumpops

Inspired
I'm talking wireless axe edit, wireless fc-6/12 and a wireless headphone port (I understand the latter might not work) but I know the wireless axe edit is possible. Anyone working on making the foot controller wireless? Would be cool for bedroom players. Less cables makes the minister for war and finance happier.
I've had to forgo my wireless guitar because of clutter in the bandwith from casino systems.
And we're a strictly casino/wedding band so...I'm back to wired on my guitar which then defeats the wireless mic and wireless in ears since I routinely left the stage while playing....

On the upside..the guitar does SOUND better wired...
 

∞Fractals

Power User
Technology would be way more advanced if our governments did not hide the technology from us. Remember the book who killed the electric car? I am 49 now and when I was in grade school we went on a field trip to a factory cant remember where but our teacher showed us a engine that was cut in half in a glass case and the teacher told us that this is a synthetic motor that runs with no moving parts that has a lifetime warrantee but the automotive industry will not produce it because it would hurt them. this was in the mid 70's. They also had solar cars in the 70's.
that’snuthin’ ... wait for the .gov UFO news next week ... 😮
 

MistressBand

New Member
I have been using a wireless guitar + wireless foot controller for years. I use a midijet pro for the wireless midi transmission from the foot controller to the axe (2, now 3), and one of those portable 5-9-12v battery packs (usually used to charge cellphones) for power. It even powers an LED strip.
 

Rich G.

Experienced
Anyone working on making the foot controller wireless?
I'm using a MFC-101 to control our lighting wirelessly.

I use a wireless midi device (Yamaha MD-BT01) connected to the MFC-101. The MFC is powered by one of THESE batteries. I charged it up and ran it for 3 or 4 days straight with all LED's on just to verify it will make it through at least two gigs.

The MD-BT01 connects to a PC running MidiBerry, which then transfers MIDI info to LoopMIDI, which is then used as an input to DMXIS to control the lighting. DMXIS outputs DMX via USB to a DMXIS hardware interface. A DMX wireless transmitter is then hooked to the DMXIS hardware. DMX wireless recievers are used at various points in the lighting rig. I think I'm using 7 receivers.
 
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I could have never imagined the battery concept would be so difficult for some to grasp. But moving forward, a wireless foot controller in theory is possible. Really looking forward to seeing what the USB port will be for on the FC's. I have a wireless guitar system and soon to have wireless axe edit once my Silex USB server arrives. So my next goal is wireless FC. Like someone mentioned previously in this thread I too envisioned a little transceiver box with some batteries that attaches to the back of the FC and a little dongle transceiver for the back of the axe fx.....would be very cool. Just saying.
 
Too much latency? Tell that Boss, they make it work. There's a bunch of wireless Bluetooth guitar products out there. That is definitely is not the reason
 

chris

Legend!
Too much latency? Tell that Boss, they make it work. There's a bunch of wireless Bluetooth guitar products out there. That is definitely is not the reason
It is the reason. Bluetooth works for pre-recorded audio/video because the app playing the video delays the video to compensate for the audio latency.

Live video recording can’t delay the video because it’s being created in real time, so the audio would be delayed compared to the video while recording and monitoring.

Audio-only apps are also delaying the pre-recorded audio to sync up with the Bluetooth latency.

Just Google “Bluetooth Latency.” It’s being improved as the years go on, but standard latency is 200ms. Some protocols get it down to 30ms or so, but those aren't widely used, and would still be too much for practical recording use.
 

GlennO

Experienced
Too much latency? Tell that Boss, they make it work. There's a bunch of wireless Bluetooth guitar products out there. That is definitely is not the reason
Boss has products that send the guitar signal over bluetooth? I don't believe that's true. AFAIK they only use bluetooth for aux audio, where latency is not an issue.
 
I want talking about recording, just monitoring. There's a ton of guitar products that use Bluetooth for monitoring. The Boss Waza does exactly that and they don't have that problem. There's at least a dozen wireless guitar systems that use Bluetooth.

Latency IS NOT the reason why I have to be tethered with a wire when I'm just playing.

I understand if the BTmodule costs more and isn't worth headache of programming and tweaking to get it to Fractal standards but latency is the not problem. It damn sure possible because it's in a ton of products already
 

chris

Legend!
wireless "things" are common with the abundance of tech available these days. but for mission critical applications, wired is preferred.

the reason vocals and guitars are typically wireless in big important concerts is for the entertainment value. these musicians want to walk around the stage and entertain the audience. being stuck in one place isn't as entertaining. so the techs prioritize wireless bandwidth for those instruments with systems that cost around $5000 for EACH device (mic, guitar wireless, etc.), plus paddle antennas and more gear to ensure the clearest wireless signal possible.

then there's wireless IEMs taking up additional bandwidth, and failsafe floor wedges in case of dropouts. again, the instruments and vocals are prioritized. the total cost for just the most reliable wireless systems for a typical 5 piece band could easily be $50,000, probably more. that's a LOT of money.

if pedal controllers and more were wireless, the bandwidth for the important vocals would be reduced, and problems would occur more easily.

yes it's 2020. yes, our convenience devices like keyboards, mice, phones, etc. are wireless. but dropouts happen all the time.

in a small theater show i did, our conductor who played keyboard wanted to use bluetooth for his patch changes to his macbook. i told him i have a USB-MIDI cable he could use instead. he said no, wireless is the way of the future.

within the run of 20 shows, he had major dropouts and missed patch changes about 1/2 the time. this was a very small room, he was within 5 feet of his computer, and people were asked to turn off their cell phones completely. who knows who did it, but the RF in the room was pretty minimal compared to a huge 50k outdoor concert or something. even after a few shows, he wouldn't use the hard wired connection. for our finale, we had some important people coming down. and he finally used the wired connection. no issues. flawless.

wireless is great. but has anyone counted the number of wires needed for a wireless setup? power, signal out, signal in, antennas, repeaters, etc.

i come from a professional "nothing can fail" point of view as a musician. i hardwire everything i can at a gig. for critical gigs, if i run wireless for anything, i have a wired backup setup and ready to go. for guitar, i have a cable near the gear input and the other end near me on stage to swap quickly if anything goes wrong. and things go wrong with wireless, all the time.

again, the professional wireless systems are $5k or more for each device, and they still have problems. i can't imagine sticking a $30 chip in gear to make it wireless.

fractal gear is professional gear. at this time, wireless still isn't completely reliable and in most situations is more convenience than necessity. i've been fortunate to tour several high-name professional stage setups over time. everything is hardwired as much as possible. bandwidth is reserved for the few mics and guitar packs used for entertainment value. sidemen playing on stage are hardwired. if a guitar goes out during a show - which it does - the tech runs the backup guitar and wireless that's ready to go as quickly as possible. for one band, each guitarist had 4x $5000 wireless guitar systems in each rig - 2 were the mains for switching guitars between songs, and the other 2 were the backups for those mains. that's $20,000 in wireless x3 (2 guitar, 1 bass). and they said it STILL fails more often than they'd like.

save $20k. use a $10 cable.
 
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