Green Day Dookie mod tone?

Thanks for this , do you push the power amp none at all/small/hard amount would you say when going for dookie tones?

I know we can measure this with the fractal via headroom meter but i’ve no access to my ax3 atm to test out tones.
I don’t use my physical heads above 1 on the mv. On the fractal I tend to set the mv to 2.5-3 ish. I’ve got a clip of the 3+ profile doing the dookie thing, but don’t have enough posts yet to link it up.
 
I don’t use my physical heads above 1 on the mv. On the fractal I tend to set the mv to 2.5-3 ish. I’ve got a clip of the 3+ profile doing the dookie thing, but don’t have enough posts yet to link it up.
While there is the possibility of different taper pots used on the actual vs modelled amp , I appreciate this nonetheless👍

Clips would be great to see and hear the waveforms if they are being compressed
 
Here’s my take on the dookie tone using the CAE rhythm preamp. IR is ML sound labs “destruction” mix from the silver cab pack. Still too much midrange honk in this but it’s not bad. I don’t think people realize how much midrange is pulled out of just about any and every guitar tone you hear in rock or metal. There’s a ton pulled out of this to even get close. This is where a lot of people go way wrong dialing in these sounds, this tone is more filtered than you think.


Guitar is my les Paul standard, Aldrich pickups.


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/trrb...ey=uzc7urljfo07i9sanr3rirrfv&st=yznoyw89&dl=0
 
Here’s my take on the dookie tone using the CAE rhythm preamp. IR is ML sound labs “destruction” mix from the silver cab pack. Still too much midrange honk in this but it’s not bad. I don’t think people realize how much midrange is pulled out of just about any and every guitar tone you hear in rock or metal. There’s a ton pulled out of this to even get close. This is where a lot of people go way wrong dialing in these sounds, this tone is more filtered than you think.
The mid control on the real crunch/dookie amps actually filters down the mids quite a bit. It is an interesting circuit compared to a stock 1959/2203 as the controls have a big sweep of change compared to the stock counterparts that don’t really have much adjustment. Adding gain to the amp also adds some low mids that you hear in every Green Day record as well. But back to the mid control, on 0, it sounds like there is a blanket over the amp. The settings I like to use for dookie tones vary from the left to right speaker but generally: gain:6 bass: 5.5 mid: 3 treble:5 presence:5.

Jerry Finn did use a pultec eq on the record, but per the album’s engineer, it was a very dry record with not much post adjustment.

While there is the possibility of different taper pots used on the actual vs modelled amp , I appreciate this nonetheless

Clips would be great to see and hear the waveforms if they are being compressed
Per John Suhr, tolerances were tight on components for the mods and the preamps while he was at CAE. He told me he would pull out a perfectly good vintage power transformer from a donor amp just so he could have the voltages he wanted in the amp. He mentioned that once he left, he saw a few examples of martins amps that weren’t as tight on tolerances of components.

Mine was done in the early 90’s and is comparable to the first run of CAE 3+SE preamps. Not sure which version was used to model for fractal though. Once I am able to post links, I will happily attach some more clips of my amp.
 
The mid control on the real crunch/dookie amps actually filters down the mids quite a bit. It is an interesting circuit compared to a stock 1959/2203 as the controls have a big sweep of change compared to the stock counterparts that don’t really have much adjustment. Adding gain to the amp also adds some low mids that you hear in every Green Day record as well. But back to the mid control, on 0, it sounds like there is a blanket over the amp. The settings I like to use for dookie tones vary from the left to right speaker but generally: gain:6 bass: 5.5 mid: 3 treble:5 presence:5.

Jerry Finn did use a pultec eq on the record, but per the album’s engineer, it was a very dry record with not much post adjustment.


Per John Suhr, tolerances were tight on components for the mods and the preamps while he was at CAE. He told me he would pull out a perfectly good vintage power transformer from a donor amp just so he could have the voltages he wanted in the amp. He mentioned that once he left, he saw a few examples of martins amps that weren’t as tight on tolerances of components.

Mine was done in the early 90’s and is comparable to the first run of CAE 3+SE preamps. Not sure which version was used to model for fractal though. Once I am able to post links, I will happily attach some more clips of my amp.



Fair enough, that would explain the filtering in the midrange then. Still I contend there is way less midrange than people think in guitar tones of the last 40 years in heavier styles of music, be it inherent in the amps EQ controls or in the DAW, there’s a lot pulled out in this in someway shape or form. I could see the album overall being quite dry though for sure. Good engineering goes a long, longggg ways that’s for sure.
 
Not sure how worth it these files are to anyone, or Cliff, but these are the gutshots of a Dookie Modded Marshall and a "companion" schematic.
 

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