GLOBALLY Turn OFF Cabinet Modeling for JUST Output 2?

[Admin M@]

Problem is that ALL presets have to be re-written to work with OUT2.

Add Out 2 ≠ "re-written"

 

[Mark L.]

Add Out 2 ≠ "re-written"

I don’t understand this. Sounds like a line of code to add/edit somewhere. Can you explain? Sorry for being dull.

 

[DanDesy]

I don’t understand this. Sounds like a line of code to add/edit somewhere. Can you explain? Sorry for being dull.

Matt is saying that adding OUT2 doesn’t mean re-writing every preset.

 

[Mark L.]

I thought so, but then thought maybe he was hinting at a specific work around.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

I disagree. Maybe on paper, but not to the human ear.

1) Signal > EQ > signal repeated
2) Signal > signal repeated > EQ

With #1 the repeats are of an EQ'd signal.
With #2 the repeats are individually EQ'd after the fact.

These will not sound exactly the same, especially with longer regenerations.

That was the point of my leading question.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

I know. I just fleshed it out a bit more.

 

[yek]

About LTI:

https://wiki.fractalaudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cab_block#Position_of_the_Cab_block_on_the_grid

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

It absolutely affects the output, especially if your cab does low and high cuts.

 

[Tones2]

Matt is saying that adding OUT2 doesn’t mean re-writing every preset.

You also have to move the cab to the end of the chain

 

[DLC86]

I disagree. Maybe on paper, but not to the human ear.

1) Signal > EQ > signal repeated
2) Signal > signal repeated > EQ

With #1 the repeats are of an EQ'd signal.
With #2 the repeats are individually EQ'd after the fact.

These will not sound exactly the same, especially with longer regenerations.

I think it's just placebo, unless you're running modulation or drive in the delay block, or the preamp in the cab block.

 

[DLC86]

No.
There is a difference. Not so much with a tight slapback (50-100ms),
but it easy to hear with longer delays. Really easy actually.

Ok, can we do a small blind test?

 

[Admin M@]

I've heard it doing blind tests.

Were they maybe deaf tests.



(Take no offense. Maybe I'll set up a proper test for you to experiment with.)

 

[yek]

No.
There is a difference. Not so much with a tight slapback (50-100ms),
but it easy to hear with longer delays. Really easy actually.

With what equipment?

 

[yek]

That's a pity because testing counts.


IN > CAB > DELAY > OUT

and

IN > DELAY > CAB > OUT

with Low Cut turned up and High Cut turned down in the Cab block,

sound exactly the same.

 

[DLC86]

Blind test:


Can you tell which is which?

 

[yek]

Sarcasm?

Just to clarify, I'm not specifically talking about a Fractal platform. More in general.

Weird excuse. We're specifically discussing Fractal gear here and setting up the grid.

 

[DLC86]

Too easy @Donnie B. .. if you make a claim that what's "on paper" is wrong you should at least support your claim with proofs.
Anyway this test was not made just for you and this discussion is not made to blame or prove anyone wrong, it's just to share correct info without leaving room for false myths.

 

[Admin M@]

Sarcasm?

No, I hope to find time to create a preset with scenes that you can listen to.

 

[DLC86]

Please show me where I said anything on paper was wrong.
I said I can hear a difference.

Just right here. "I can hear a difference"="what's on paper is wrong"
If you can hear a difference please try to guess which of the two samples is cab before or after delay, should be pretty simple.

 

[Admin M@]

Just right here. "I can hear a difference"="what's on paper is wrong"
If you can hear a difference please try to guess which of the two samples is cab before or after delay, should be pretty simple.

The test is not great. There's a 50% chance of getting it right on a guess. A better test would be asking someone to sort out three or more samples into their respective types.