Fractal.....still the best IMO

yyz67 said:
Agreed. Good UI should reduce the steps to do anything (or the most likely things) without then making it more complicated to remember how.


Like them or not, for nav and some other things, touchscreens excel over dedicated buttons and knobs. For other things, not so much.

There always can be UI improvement, whether old-school or 'new-fangled'.
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Touch … touch … touch … touch … press … press … ok. Finally.

If you want it to work. Make it a button.

Note buttons are easy to replace. False touch screens are not.

My $800 iPhone doesn’t always work.
 
I'm going to try the cortex. Have it in the mail. After my back surgery, the size and weight and the capture ability has me intrigued. I'll report back after I've had it for a while.
 
dpeterson said:
I'm going to try the cortex. Have it in the mail. After my back surgery, the size and weight and the capture ability has me intrigued. I'll report back after I've had it for a while.
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It is cool form factor. Curious to learn what your experience is with it?
"Tell me. And remember, this is for posterity so be honest. How do you feel?". -Count Rugen, Princess Bride-
 
Tremonti said:
It is cool form factor. Curious to learn what your experience is with it?
"Tell me. And remember, this is for posterity so be honest. How do you feel?". -Count Rugen, Princess Bride-
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Initial Honeymoon phase (had for about 3 hours), is everything sounds harsh at stage volume (had to quit for a bit, getting ear fatigue), and I cant get the low end chunk like I do in the Axe3. Form factor is great, touch screen is awesome, cloud connectivity, phone app, all nice things. Will keep playing with it this weekend.
 
dpeterson said:
Initial Honeymoon phase (had for about 3 hours), is everything sounds harsh at stage volume (had to quit for a bit, getting ear fatigue), and I cant get the low end chunk like I do in the Axe3. Form factor is great, touch screen is awesome, cloud connectivity, phone app, all nice things. Will keep playing with it this weekend.
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Ok, packed up and ready to return. I had to do some interesting carving of a few frequencies in the global eq to get somewhat useable tones. In the end they still fell apart at volume for some reason. No global amps, some convince things like the drop on the tuner, laundry list of other things, just turned me off. I liked a lot of things about it, but it comes down to how does it sound ripping out of my clr's, and in this case it was no comparison.
 
After having my FM3 for a couple of years and seeing many a demo of QC I’m very happy with my decision. I was originally tempted to get one because of the content creators I like using them, and the shiny pretty exterior. Fractal works so well. It’s easy to use, sounds phenomenal, and so many parameters to tweak (but only if you want to!).
 
A touch screen just adds something that can potentially fail. Buttons are more robust. I also honestly don’t see an added convenience with a touch screen that would be better than buttons. Anyway. I love the fact that now you can just exchange presets between units. Not the hassle I had between my Axe2 and ax8.
Very helpful to read your feedback on those units. Thank you for that.
 
Harm said:
A touch screen just adds something that can potentially fail. Buttons are more robust. I also honestly don’t see an added convenience with a touch screen that would be better than buttons. Anyway. I love the fact that now you can just exchange presets between units. Not the hassle I had between my Axe2 and ax8.
Very helpful to read your feedback on those units. Thank you for that.
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Touchscreens are used by billions of people on a daily basis, phones, ATM’s, cars/trucks, payment terminals, watches, tablets, computers. There’s actually less failure points than a button, it’s just a capacitive (or resistive) membrane under the screen. There’s also no higher failure rate for an touchscreen than just a screen, which is already present. If you break the current screen you’d also break a touchscreen. This is just an old wives tale that gets repeated ad naseum based on 1990’s perceptions.

I design and build industrial machinery for a living and even our business which used to rely heavily on buttons and switches for input and screens for display is now almost all touch screens (and has been for 10-15 years) I can count on one hand how many screens I’ve replaced but buttons and switches are in the hundreds. Also, every one of the screen replacements was not due to touch issues, the whole screen was either broken or the display wasn’t working,
 
dws2384 said:
Touchscreens are used by billions of people on a daily basis, phones, ATM’s, cars/trucks, payment terminals, watches, tablets, computers. There’s actually less failure points than a button, it’s just a capacitive (or resistive) membrane under the screen. There’s also no higher failure rate for an touchscreen than just a screen, which is already present. If you break the current screen you’d also break a touchscreen. This is just an old wives tale that gets repeated ad naseum based on 1990’s perceptions.

I design and build industrial machinery for a living and even our business which used to rely heavily on buttons and switches for input and screens for display is now almost all touch screens (and has been for 10-15 years) I can count on one hand how many screens I’ve replaced but buttons and switches are in the hundreds. Also, every one of the screen replacements was not due to touch issues, the whole screen was either broken or the display wasn’t working,
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Hmm, I stand corrected apparently. I do get a bit of an itch when you say my views are outdated and based on an old wives tale. I do not think that my view is based on that. In regard of the rest of the content of your mail: apparently you know what you are talking about and I cannot say that I share your level of expertise. So I will not, and cannot dispute your point of view. I also have no desire to do so.
Accepting that the chance of malfunction does not increase, I still have no desire to have a touchscreen on any of my fractal products.

Kind regards, Harm
 
dws2384 said:
Touchscreens are used by billions of people on a daily basis, phones, ATM’s, cars/trucks, payment terminals, watches, tablets, computers. There’s actually less failure points than a button, it’s just a capacitive (or resistive) membrane under the screen. There’s also no higher failure rate for an touchscreen than just a screen, which is already present. If you break the current screen you’d also break a touchscreen. This is just an old wives tale that gets repeated ad naseum based on 1990’s perceptions.

I design and build industrial machinery for a living and even our business which used to rely heavily on buttons and switches for input and screens for display is now almost all touch screens (and has been for 10-15 years) I can count on one hand how many screens I’ve replaced but buttons and switches are in the hundreds. Also, every one of the screen replacements was not due to touch issues, the whole screen was either broken or the display wasn’t working,
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I agree with this 100% except for one place:

Cars.

Get your damn touch screens out of my car. They're a safety hazard. Even if they have a higher cost and failure rate.
 
rossipedia said:
I agree with this 100% except for one place:

Cars.

Get your damn touch screens out of my car. They're a safety hazard. Even if they have a higher cost and failure rate.
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I agree…somewhat. Knobs and buttons are better for many things and touchscreens are better for many things. The best user experiences are a combination of the two playing into the strengths of each. You’ll pretty much find that in any serious user interface.

Scrolling a map in your car? Entering an address or text? Touchscreen. Changing volume or temperature? Knob. Turning on a light? Button

The same can apply to Fractal products. There are many items in the existing UI that would be better served with a touchscreen and many that wouldn’t. What irks me is when people come in with blanket statements saying that touchscreens are unprofessional, useless, gimmicks, or the 20 other things that are the usual rally cries. BlackBerry also shared that opinion at one point. They had an enormous lead in their market and failed to adapt….
 
dws2384 said:
Touchscreens are used by billions of people on a daily basis, phones, ATM’s, cars/trucks, payment terminals, watches, tablets, computers. There’s actually less failure points than a button, it’s just a capacitive (or resistive) membrane under the screen. There’s also no higher failure rate for an touchscreen than just a screen, which is already present. If you break the current screen you’d also break a touchscreen. This is just an old wives tale that gets repeated ad naseum based on 1990’s perceptions.

I design and build industrial machinery for a living and even our business which used to rely heavily on buttons and switches for input and screens for display is now almost all touch screens (and has been for 10-15 years) I can count on one hand how many screens I’ve replaced but buttons and switches are in the hundreds. Also, every one of the screen replacements was not due to touch issues, the whole screen was either broken or the display wasn’t working,
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I've had my Honda 2015 CRV for 10 years, bought brand new. The touch screen in it is going strong never had a problem.
I work in the IT industry for 30 years. My current company that I have been at for 6 years uses a lot of touch screens, tablets, terminals, etc, in the plant, a foundry which is brutal conditions for technology equipment.
I've had 2 tablets and one terminal where the touch screen stopped working after years of use but these have been out in a filthy environment under the worst conditions.
Never had a touch screen on a phone go bad unless the screen was cracked\smashed. Seen a lot of my users do that.
Personally, when it comes to Fractal gear, I don't care if they with touch screen or stay with knobs. Each have their pros and cons and both can be a point of failure if the units are abused.
 
I don't think having a touch screen on the actual fractal unit is what most people want. Buttons are fine for that. But I think having an app with Bluetooth that you could use your phone to program it would be ideal and would take that fail(If Any?) off of fractals plate.
 
Tremonti said:
I don't think having a touch screen on the actual fractal unit is what most people want. Buttons are fine for that. But I think having an app with Bluetooth that you could use your phone to program it would be ideal and would take that fail(If Any?) off of fractals plate.
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I actually don’t think anyone wants that…how is that convenient for quick adjustments?

I’m not sure what downsides there are to adding a touchscreen and leaving everything the same. Literally no changes (I think they should make some changes but for the sake of this argument let’s say none)

I’d like to be able to click directly on the grid instead of using arrow keys plus enter.

I’d like to just click on the second row of controls to give them focus and then use the encoders instead of the arrow key.

I’d like to be able to swipe through screens instead using page buttons.

Click directly on an IR, preset, or device in a list instead of having to use wheel or arrows.

Simple changes like that would make it faster to navigate. If you don’t want to use it you just don’t touch the screen and you wouldn’t even know it was a feature. There could be a menu button to disable touch.
 
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