Fender FR-12 preamp mod : The Hissterectomy

Ledvedder said:
Hmm, does the Celestion 1446 make a big difference?
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aeh ... yes ... it's bigger ...


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Ledvedder said:
Hmm, does the Celestion 1446 make a big difference?
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Definitely. The stock horn is a "bullet tweeter" design, hard to imagine it having much better than 45 degree dispersion, and it has a long throw "hot spot" or beam that can annoy a FOH engineer.

Wider dispersion is generally better for nearfield or short-throw applications.
 
I posted in the other thread about the horn swap, but the horn didn't survive the first transport, a 5 hr drive from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia. I used threadlocker, but somehow the compression driver came off the horn, and there's a little hole in the actual horn. Not sure if I over tightened, or if the recommendation to grind down the 4 tabs affects the structural integrity, but now recommending cutting 4 slots in the baffle to accommodate the tabs instead of grinding/filing to fit the baffle opening.
 
woutersamaey said:
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Reverb has refunded me the amount I paid to UPS entirely. They transferred the amount to my PayPal account (even though I did not pay using PayPal) instead of issuing me Reverb credits like they did with this other person here.
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@woutersamaey Would you mind sharing what the price for the preamp was in the end ? I'm considering getting me an FR12 but looking at the price tags it might get pretty close to the EV PXM when the V3 is added.
 
ChristThePhone said:
@woutersamaey Would you mind sharing what the price for the preamp was in the end ? I'm considering getting me an FR12 but looking at the price tags it might get pretty close to the EV PXM when the V3 is added.
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I was thinking the same thing yesterday.

After buying the Fender cab, the Archangel board, then throwing in a new tweeter, the total price has gone up. At some point it has to get within striking distance of the PXM, or the MF-10 or something else in their class.
 
I have 2 Archangel modded FR10's and a EV PXM ...they are both excellent, the FR10 is a bit more amp like, the PXM a bit higher Fidelity.
The PXM can do other things as well such as providing a centre stage monitor capable of providing sound to the whole band if needed (lots of power and wide dispersion)...I have done this and had the (rock) band rave about the sound so much they wanted to hire me on the spot!
I am happily retired from all that now so I had to decline.

I run is stereo so I use the FR10's everyday and the PXM mostly for other uses.

They are all in the same class as far as sound goes...the PXM seems to be built tougher.
 
ChristThePhone said:
F-corp/Hanser have cut pretty much every corner one could think of to create the FR and make money at a price tag of about 500$. I wouldn't trust any of the used components to last a lot longer than the warranty period requires.
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There are companies that go for that product. It's sad that people fall for it hoping they'll get everything they dream for without paying the equivalent amount.

Humans! GET OFF MY LAWN!

Oh… I see a cloud that needs yelling at….
 
Greg Ferguson said:
After buying the Fender cab, the Archangel board, then throwing in a new tweeter, the total price has gone up. At some point it has to get within striking distance of the PXM, or the MF-10 or something else in their class.
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I spent $550 for the FR and $150 for the V3 preamp. I didn't do the tweeter upgrade because I'm fine with its performance as is.

At $700 I thought it was very reasonably priced.

The PXM is significantly different. I have a pair of CLRs that perform a similar function. Each has it's place. Some players may prefer the tone and form factor of the FR, others may want the wider dispersion and neutrality of the PXM.

Even with the total cost including a new tweeter some may prefer the FR for their personal needs.
 
stratzrus said:
I spent $550 for the FR and $150 for the V3 preamp. I didn't do the tweeter upgrade because I'm fine with its performance as is.

At $700 I thought it was very reasonably priced.

The PXM is significantly different. I have a pair of CLRs that perform a similar function. Each has it's place. Some players may prefer the tone and form factor of the FR, others may want the wider dispersion and neutrality of the PXM.

Even with the total cost including a new tweeter some may prefer the FR for their personal needs.
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I completely agree! I'm actually using my Blueamps Cubo more right now, because it's perfect for basement playing (and it can run in stereo). It is also fairly amp-like. Won't sound or feel like a bigger amp though, and that's really okay. The FR-10s with the upgraded preamp are wonderful. I tend to use the PXM for classical gigs, and any additional sound reinforcement.
 
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