Did not like the Helix Stadium XL....

I traded my last HX for a guitar. It was gathering dust. I like that the HX fx loop can be configured as two independent mono loops. That is useful. That's about all.

The things have always needed drastic high cuts and every L6 device I have owned has had a 2 dimensional tone that has the flavor of a cheap plastic spatula underneath it all. Like Tupperware in a microwave.

They are nice folks, but I am a hard pass.
 
Gapless switching came to Fractal after the Fender Tone Master Pro came out in late 2023 with gapless switching stock out of the box.
While I don't disagree, remember that correlation is not causation... ;)

There had been many, many requests for true Gapless for a long time.

Whether TMP was the trigger or not, it's nice that we got it :)
 
This is my own personal opinion
I have not played the unit yet
First off I really like the guys at Line6 Eric Klein and Frank and Ben are all really great people
But I don’t think this launch has gone well , first the shipping fiasco
With dealers breaking the agreement and shipping out early
Then some YouTuber just gave away the 3 amps coming in next update by being careless
They really need to get there NDAs in check IMO

There was a lot of early sound clips that really did not sound good and there were people posting videos at trade shows after being told not to

There has been a lot of QC issues out of the gate , scribble strips not working , one guy had the wrong footswitches installed ,
I honestly can’t help to think that they rushed this one a bit and probably should have given it more time to bake maybe NAMM 2026

When I compare this to AM4 launch it’s night and day , no leaks no prior info , just bang and product available to ship on day 1

As I said I like Line6 but this launch has not left me feeling super excited so far and I don’t think it’s matched the hype since the announcement in June
 
One thing I do not understand is why a Stadium and an FM9 has not been tested side by side by one of the influences. Let's see what the Aguora engine is really all about.
That's easy to explain.
Influencers just hype products. They are in some way paid to do this.
They don't review products- they promote them.
Big difference.
...and if they did who is going to pay them to (fairly) do this?
 
That's easy to explain.
Influencers just hype products. They are in some way paid to do this.
They don't review products- they promote them.
Big difference.
...and if they did who is going to pay them to (fairly) do this?
I can't disagree with any of your points.
 
It’s okay to have opinions. It’s better when they’re informed opinions. You might play it and hate it. That’s perfectly valid.
Oh I agree , it’s more the launch that had not gone well but that no fault of Line6 and I am sure they are annoyed more than anyone but I feel this one just maybe came out of the oven a bit early as peolke were pushing for it and in hindsight maybe the better decision would have been wait a few months
 
I've used the L6 stuff going back to the black HD bean before getting my first AxeFx and it was actually pretty damn good. Part of me actually misses having that unit around. For my needs at the time, it did everything I needed. I've obviously since moved on to Fractal Land, but I'm sure that the newer L6 stuff is more capable than my old black bean was.

If I can swing it, I'm always going to shoot for the best and in my honest opinion that's FAS. I've also played on a QC and that was very impressive as well. There are literally no wrong answers to this, everyone's needs are different, and sound is objective.
 
Oh I agree , it’s more the launch that had not gone well but that no fault of Line6 and I am sure they are annoyed more than anyone but I feel this one just maybe came out of the oven a bit early as peolke were pushing for it and in hindsight maybe the better decision would have been wait a few months
I think there was the sense on their part that it was going to be difficult to keep the secret much longer, so they got out ahead of it by announcing it maybe a bit too early for our comfort. Honestly, I don't think the launch went that badly aside from third party mistakes. I have a unit here. It's good. I'm playing it live. There are some bugs for sure but no show stoppers at the moment. It'll be a fun ride.

Meanwhile, looking forward to the new FM firmware that's in beta right now. Looks cool!
 
I think there was the sense on their part that it was going to be difficult to keep the secret much longer, so they got out ahead of it by announcing it maybe a bit too early for our comfort. Honestly, I don't think the launch went that badly aside from third party mistakes. I have a unit here. It's good. I'm playing it live. There are some bugs for sure but no show stoppers at the moment. It'll be a fun ride.

Meanwhile, looking forward to the new FM firmware that's in beta right now. Looks cool
On the Helix Stadium XL do you not get huge gaps when switching presets? That was something I found when I used.
 
If you ignore the “flash” of a nice UI and judge it by sound and platform philosophy, Helix Stadium still sounds to me like a Line 6 product. I’m not saying it can’t work live or in a mix, obviously it can, but great workflow doesn’t automatically equal great tone. The only way I can fairly hear what an amp model really is is to strip it back: no sweetening, just a tiny amount of room (e.g. a couple per cent) for body, and an IR into an FRFR. When you do that, you stop hearing polish and start hearing the underlying modelling choices. Stadium sounds very similar to the old Helix imo, just with more flash.

The bigger issue (and the reason I’m not excited by “new UI” as a headline) is the ethics/value of long-running flagship hardware. In my opinion, it’s not reasonable to sell essentially the same flagship compute platform for close to flagship money for close to a decade, while asking customers to treat it like it’s “current.” Yes, embedded DSP products aren’t literally PCs—but from a buyer’s standpoint, they are compute platforms with limits, and those limits show up as compromises: effect quality, reverb density, modulation realism, routing headroom, oversampling choices, etc. Once a company is selling a platform that’s many years old at near-original pricing, I think it’s fair to call that out as poor value, and arguably unethical—especially when the original hardware R&D has obviously been amortised many years earlier.

That’s one reason I respect Fractal even when I complain about the UI/editing experience. You often do need a computer editor and the front-panel workflow isn’t the selling point—but Fractal has consistently advanced the platform headroom and the audible results: better effects, more detail, regular meaningful firmware work, and real evolution across generations. Whether people like their UX or not, they’re not leaning on UX to distract from stagnant flagship compute. And that’s my point: a great UI doesn’t make something sound great. The sound comes from modelling depth and effect quality, and those are tightly tied to the ambition (and headroom) of the platform.

I actually want Line 6 to nail it—I own a James Tyler Variax, and it’s a genuinely good, useful guitar. I’d happily buy back into a Line 6 flagship if the company treated the flagship platform like a flagship: modern headroom, then use it to deliver higher-fidelity reverbs/modulation and more refined amp modelling over time, just like Fractal does. It also would have been good if they hadn't dropped Variax modelling, it's actually really cool, arguably the best innovation they came up with. Until that happens, “nice UI” just isn’t enough for me, because when you turn the gloss off and listen critically, the baseline still doesn’t compete with what the top end of this space is capable of.
 
If you ignore the “flash” of a nice UI and judge it by sound and platform philosophy, Helix Stadium still sounds to me like a Line 6 product. I’m not saying it can’t work live or in a mix, obviously it can, but great workflow doesn’t automatically equal great tone. The only way I can fairly hear what an amp model really is is to strip it back: no sweetening, just a tiny amount of room (e.g. a couple per cent) for body, and an IR into an FRFR. When you do that, you stop hearing polish and start hearing the underlying modelling choices. Stadium sounds very similar to the old Helix imo, just with more flash.
That makes sense. From my understanding at the moment the majority of differences between the OG Helix and stadium (sound wise) is better specs from the hardware and the Agora amps and I think there are some new cabs as well. Most of what is on the platform is legacy Helix amps, effects and cabs.

I appreciate Line 6 for pushing the modelling paradigm forward, even though their direction on what is most important to address is very different from my own wants. They've tried to improve the sound of the product, but ease of use has always been at least as important as the sound IMO. I choose Fractal because Cliff is fanatical about squeezing every drop of sound quality out of Fractal products. He approaches things like an engineer first and foremost. I'm confident the UI of the next gen products will be intelligently designed to improve upon many of the complaints. But it won't compromise sound design to get there.
 
If you ignore the “flash” of a nice UI and judge it by sound and platform philosophy, Helix Stadium still sounds to me like a Line 6 product. I’m not saying it can’t work live or in a mix, obviously it can, but great workflow doesn’t automatically equal great tone. The only way I can fairly hear what an amp model really is is to strip it back: no sweetening, just a tiny amount of room (e.g. a couple per cent) for body, and an IR into an FRFR. When you do that, you stop hearing polish and start hearing the underlying modelling choices. Stadium sounds very similar to the old Helix imo, just with more flash.

The bigger issue (and the reason I’m not excited by “new UI” as a headline) is the ethics/value of long-running flagship hardware. In my opinion, it’s not reasonable to sell essentially the same flagship compute platform for close to flagship money for close to a decade, while asking customers to treat it like it’s “current.” Yes, embedded DSP products aren’t literally PCs—but from a buyer’s standpoint, they are compute platforms with limits, and those limits show up as compromises: effect quality, reverb density, modulation realism, routing headroom, oversampling choices, etc. Once a company is selling a platform that’s many years old at near-original pricing, I think it’s fair to call that out as poor value, and arguably unethical—especially when the original hardware R&D has obviously been amortised many years earlier.

That’s one reason I respect Fractal even when I complain about the UI/editing experience. You often do need a computer editor and the front-panel workflow isn’t the selling point—but Fractal has consistently advanced the platform headroom and the audible results: better effects, more detail, regular meaningful firmware work, and real evolution across generations. Whether people like their UX or not, they’re not leaning on UX to distract from stagnant flagship compute. And that’s my point: a great UI doesn’t make something sound great. The sound comes from modelling depth and effect quality, and those are tightly tied to the ambition (and headroom) of the platform.

I actually want Line 6 to nail it—I own a James Tyler Variax, and it’s a genuinely good, useful guitar. I’d happily buy back into a Line 6 flagship if the company treated the flagship platform like a flagship: modern headroom, then use it to deliver higher-fidelity reverbs/modulation and more refined amp modelling over time, just like Fractal does. It also would have been good if they hadn't dropped Variax modelling, it's actually really cool, arguably the best innovation they came up with. Until that happens, “nice UI” just isn’t enough for me, because when you turn the gloss off and listen critically, the baseline still doesn’t compete with what the top end of this space is capable of.
Did you hear one live, in person?
 
Oh I agree , it’s more the launch that had not gone well but that no fault of Line6 and I am sure they are annoyed more than anyone but I feel this one just maybe came out of the oven a bit early as peolke were pushing for it and in hindsight maybe the better decision would have been wait a few months

Is that fair? As I understand it, Line 6 asked users if they prefer an early release or a later one. Majority voted for the early one. Which simply means: more bugs.
 
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