Delay volume drop - best pratice

MayPRS

MayPRS

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I have the Delays set in parallel, with Kill Dry and Mute FX Out enabled. This causes a noticeable drop in volume (I can hear it and it also shows up in the Preset Leveling Tool).

What do you usually do to keep the same preset volume when using the Delay block?
 
yek said:
Use MUTE IN instead of MUTE FX IN.
Set MIX to 100%.
Use INPUT GAIN to set the desired level of the delay trails.
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Mute In & Mute FX In will function the same with Mix at 100% (or Killdry = on), but OP mentioned Mute FX Out so I don't know if that was a typo on your part there.

OP's description and your example will both have the dry at unity gain plus whatever the delay is doing (if anything) so I'm not sure if this is going to be the actual solution either. Is it a "I want trails on bypass" or "dry plus prominent delay is too loud compared to just dry signal" scenario, or possibly a combination of both, in other words. If it's the latter you can put a filter w/ phase reverse = both in only the parallel delay path (before or after delay, doesn't matter) and set delay mix fairly close to but below 100% along with Mute In bypass mode, to reduce the dry level slightly when engaging the delay.
 
Yes, that was a typo, corrected.

About MUTE IN / MUTE FX IN:

Also true, but I find it an easy-to-remember "formula", which is also the recommended approach in the Blocks Guide (page 7).
 
Not to open another thread as this Delay related: I have the delay in parallel with Kill Dry. Why is that the overall sound sounds a bit "washed" even if the mix is like at 10%?

I mean I lose the punch and clarity of the dry sound... using the Digital Stereo at stock settings except for time and mix.

This must be an user error as I watch a lot of videos and when the delay kicks in you hear the delay but the tone/clarity remains the same?

I have the cab in stereo (same cab at same setting only panned L and R).

I appreciate any tips.
 
MayPRS said:
Not to open another thread as this Delay related: I have the delay in parallel with Kill Dry. Why is that the overall sound sounds a bit "washed" even if the mix is like at 10%?

I mean I lose the punch and clarity of the dry sound... using the Digital Stereo at stock settings except for time and mix.

This must be an user error as I watch a lot of videos and when the delay kicks in you hear the delay but the tone/clarity remains the same?

I have the cab in stereo (same cab at same setting only panned L and R).

I appreciate any tips.
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you might want to try EQing the delay

go to the EQ page in the delay, try putting the lowcut up between 150-250 even to see how that sounds to your ears

you can also use the ducker function there as well to further push things out

is your delay before or after the cab ?
 
On the Plex which I use for some things it washes out in volume as the mix goes up. I have a pedal attached to the mix and the same pedal attached to the level. So a small boost as the mix gets wetter. They can be scaled independently.
 
If Kill Dry is enabled, the block passes no dry signal at all, so it can't affect the sound of the dry at all. Any dry signal you have is coming from the other parallel path(s).
 
Paul Bradshaw said:
you might want to try EQing the delay

go to the EQ page in the delay, try putting the lowcut up between 150-250 even to see how that sounds to your ears

you can also use the ducker function there as well to further push things out

is your delay before or after the cab ?
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Delay after cab
 
mr_fender said:
If Kill Dry is enabled, the block passes no dry signal at all, so it can't affect the sound of the dry at all. Any dry signal you have is coming from the other parallel path(s).
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So the issue could be the Kill Dry? I wonder if in parallel with no Kill Dry would work better for me. I want the same clarity and punch of the dry tone with just the added Delay and not the more "washed out" sound...
 
Either way the dry signal is not affected. The Delay block uses a different mix law. The dry signal is unaffected until you set mix higher than 50%. At 50% mix both the wet and dry signals are at full volume. The mix setting has no impact on the tone of the dry signal whatsoever. Turning kill dry on removes the dry completely so it doesn't even pass through the delay block. If you are getting a washed out dry sound, it's not happening in the delay block.

Post a recording of what you are hearing and a screenshot of your grid layout and delay settings.
 
mr_fender said:
Either way the dry signal is not affected. The Delay block uses a different mix law. The dry signal is unaffected until you set mix higher than 50%. At 50% mix both the wet and dry signals are at full volume. The mix setting has no impact on the tone of the dry signal whatsoever. Turning kill dry on removes the dry completely so it doesn't even pass through the delay block. If you are getting a washed out dry sound, it's not happening in the delay block.

Post a recording of what you are hearing and a screenshot of your grid layout and delay settings.
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Thanks for the help. Sure, as soon as I can I will post the screenshot and settings... maybe it's my ears and/or monitoring system but, to me, it seems the dry sound is "washed" even at low delay mixes.
 
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