Best way to adjust overall volume?

[chris]

There is a factory preset: 59 Bassguy
I can ask you where in this Preset .where would be the most ideal place for the Volume pedal? S with what value setting!
I'm sorry, I don't want to be incomprehensible!
Can I ask for this solution?
For me, this would be a scripture for the final solution!
And I promise I won't ask such a stupid question again!
I have experimented a lot and I don't know the solution!
So I really don’t want to be unreasonable, incomprehensible!
Thank you very much for the solution!

Depends what you want the volume pedal to do.

 

[mr_fender]

Do your amp level balancing with the amp block's level parameter. It's tonally transparent. For convenience, it appears in several places in the amp block, but it's the same parameter. Use the gain and master volume parameters to dial in the tone you want, then use the level parameter to set how loud you want it relative to other amps and/or presets. The Preset Leveling tool in Axe Edit adjusts the amp block Level parameter. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that it's the recommended place to make those adjustments.

 

[sprint]

Personally I can't believe some of these threads get so many reaponses - I posted what I thought to be a logical question going on a week ago and, despite a bump, not a peep from anyone lol!

 

[fcs101]

If you want to control how loud it is without changing the tone/overdrive sound, place the VolPan after the amp/cab. If you want to simulate a volume pedal in front of the amp (which will clean up your overdrive tone before it starts cutting your actual volume, place it before the amp/cab....

To add on to what Joe said, if CPU limits are a concern, you can assign it to control the Level of a block after the Cab. That'll effect the overall level being output by that block (see pp. 7 of the Block Guide).

I think using a Volume block is the best method because you might revisit the preset later and it'll be much more obvious of how you've set things up.

 

[fcs101]

Interesting article.

Yes I heard someone (producer or someone on a Fractal video maybe) say that 6db is "percieved by most people" to be "double the volume," but this article is more scientific than someones quote...

A little late in replying to this, but a rule-of-thumb in dealing with decibels is that the perceived loudness doubles every +10db.

 

[Jozsef Kiss]

First of all, thanks for the answers!
I try to say what is very difficult without English!
Using the volume pedal is such a big problem for me because it greatly affects the sound you hear!
I'm a Fender maniac.
I love the clean, yet scratchy, biting sound.
See Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, and more.
I enclose a preset.
As well as my FC-12 settings!
What do I want to achieve?
When the volume is at its maximum, it's such a beautiful sound! - but I mainly apply this to solo.
Of course I also play the pot of guitar.
If it were a recommended solution for volume control at factory presets, it might be a great help!
I guess who has such a problem with this!
Maybe a lot of people would have a problem solving the volume pedal placement.
But I’ve never seen a solution to this in presets made public!
It’s as if the placement and application of this volume pedal is a NASA secret!
I have knowledge of electronics.
I built a lot of tube amps.
Since the time of socialism, it was just a dream of a Fender, Vox, Marshall and other amplifier.
I got the wiring diagrams.
I wanted to know what makes Fender the Fender amplifier! What makes Vox the Vox amplifier. And so on!
I also received all the wiring diagrams from Electro Harmonix.
I also built all of them.
So I have some insight into electronics.
But because of AX FX, I had to completely change my way of thinking.
Maybe this is the root of the problem!
Sorry for the great explanation!
I don’t want to rob anyone of my time, but somehow I had to shed light on my problem!

 

[fcs101]

What do I want to achieve?
When the volume is at its maximum, it's such a beautiful sound! - but I mainly apply this to solo.
Of course I also play the pot of guitar.
If it were a recommended solution for volume control at factory presets, it might be a great help!

Hello Jozsef. I sounds to me as if you want to affect the volume w/o affecting tone. If that's the case, then add a Volume block after your Compressor. If you want to alter the tone, then you could do several things such as assigning the pedal to control one of the Drives, the Amp, or add the Volume block before the Amp. Why not experiment first with Volume blocks by adding one each before and after, use one at a time and see if that gets you there?

There are some factory presets designed for use with pedals, so why not check some of those out for ideas as well? Cooper Carter and Leon Todd have both discussed use of Volume pedals. Here's a quick vid by CC (covers multiuse of wah, but still good info):



BTW, you could simplify your preset quite a bit and do away with the Send and Return. I see you're using an AXE III, so CPU's not a problem, but it's not advisable to add in numerous useless shunts.

Good luck!

 

[Jozsef Kiss]

Hello Jozsef. I sounds to me as if you want to affect the volume w/o affecting tone. If that's the case, then add a Volume block after your Compressor. If you want to alter the tone, then you could do several things such as assigning the pedal to control one of the Drives, the Amp, or add the Volume block before the Amp. Why not experiment first with Volume blocks by adding one each before and after, use one at a time and see if that gets you there?

There are some factory presets designed for use with pedals, so why not check some of those out for ideas as well? Cooper Carter and Leon Todd have both discussed use of Volume pedals. Here's a quick vid by CC (covers multiuse of wah, but still good info):



BTW, you could simplify your preset quite a bit and do away with the Send and Return. I see you're using an AXE III, so CPU's not a problem, but it's not advisable to add in numerous useless shunts.

Good luck!

Thanks!
For me, adjusting and using the pedals is not a problem.
The AX-FX - and FC-12 offer plenty of tricky solutions. Your imagination can soar!
I also use a lot of opportunities.
I only want to treat the output signal so that the quality of the set sound is not impaired.
So: Positioning the volume pedal is a problem.
I wonder what the ideal solution is!
Somehow no one will tell you this!
There are wonderful solos in the videos, which will be shared!
One thing never turns out: Positioning and adjusting the volume pedal!
In fact! The position of the OUT1 button also has a terrible effect on the sound! If we could see that in the videos too! - position of the OUT 1 button!
I have no problem with the input signal!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm not stupid!
But this solution seems to me to be the "Holy Grail" somehow!
Because I don't know English, I'm using Google Translate!
I try to put it as simply as possible, because the depth of the Hungarian language cannot be returned by the English!
I’m trying to make that clear based on the back-and-forth check.
But surely the English also have their depths!
Now I have deviated a little from the original problem!
I'm sorry!

 

[sprint]

fwiw, here's my approach to volume in a music room environment (accumulated from others here and thru trial and error - there are many ways - no one way is the "right" way imo):

My standard presets have 3 boost points on switches, and a volume pedal.

• Pre-Boost - +5db (db may vary depending on how clean dirty the scene is) switch on the level control of the input block. Used to compensate for split coil pickup selection on patches dialed in for humbucker, and to have a boost before drive blocks. This one can impact tone.
• Amp-Boost - Switch to activate the amp block's boost control. This one can also impact tone.
• Post-Boost - +3db solo boost switch on final output level to increase overall loudness. I use a volume block at end of chain for this only because I use Ax3 spdif'd into Ax2 doing end of chain stuff and Ax2 does not have modifiable output level - otherwise I'd put the post boost modifier on the Ax3 output block's volume level. This one should not impact tone - just louder
• Volume Pedal - Expression pedal just after Cab block for full muting and to do volume swells - for volume swells the pedal needs to be before post fx particularly delay so that the delays ring out on pedal heel down. My patches are always lay'd out in the grid in 3 lines: line1=Pre related, line2=Drive/Amp/Cab related, and line3=Post related. I put the volume modifier in the "Return" block at the beginning of line3 (just after Drive/Amp/Cab related) to save a volume block of cpu, though, as noted above, it's buried so one has to remember where it is (I've been doing it this way for so long I don't forget where it is).

My patches are dialed in for specific guitars and wrt volume, level adjusted overall at the amp block's level control so that the output meters as shown in the levelling tool are just shy of hitting red. To verify a preset, I check volume on every scene, in every pickup combination, with hard strums at multiple fretboard locations, and with multiple combinations of fx turned on/off; then, followed by some back and forth between clean/dirty tones I may tweak amp level slightly up or down so that I perceive the clean / dirty volumes to be roughly the same. There are some effects blocks that might need +/- level if I perceive the preset is louder/quieter when the effect is kicked in - for this, I'll adjust the level of the specific effect block (examples: drive, compressors). Once a preset is verified I won't tend to change the amp / effect level controls - it's set (if I was a gigging musician, it's not something I'd want to be fiddling with on the fly so best to test presets thoroughly).

Beyond this, for overall volume I will adjust my interface volume into which my Axfxs are fed.

 

[mr_fender]

Yeah I always put my volume block after the cab block so it's just a transparent level control. I tend to use my guitar's volume knobs to control the level of dirt I want. I often dial my presets in with my guitar volumes at around 7. That gives me a bit of extra to roll in as needed.

 

[fcs101]

I only want to treat the output signal so that the quality of the set sound is not impaired.
So: Positioning the volume pedal is a problem.
I wonder what the ideal solution is!
Somehow no one will tell you this!

The ideal solution for what you want is to just position a Volume block after the Cab. Don't overthink it.

 

[chris]

In fact! The position of the OUT1 button also has a terrible effect on the sound! If we could see that in the videos too! - position of the OUT 1 button!

position of Out 1 block or physical volume knob does NOT change tone of the Axe. It can send too much signal to the next device though, so your issue may not be with the Axe.

 

[Jozsef Kiss]

position of Out 1 block or physical volume knob does NOT change tone of the Axe. It can send too much signal to the next device though, so your issue may not be with the Axe.

I have no problem with the AXE-FX.
Working perfectly!
Inside the preset, it was my problem to place the volume pedal control!
But I think based on the suggestions I have to do after the Cab.
So far, I’ve been adjusting the volume in the Out, and I wasn’t happy with it.
Thanks!

 

[Jozsef Kiss]

Yes Yes Yes!
This is the solution for me!
I can't put my guitar down!
So much! It sounds so different!
After the CAB, insert the volume pedal!
This solved all my problems!
Thank you so much for this solution!
I've changed the volume in OUT so far!
I wanted to save a block by handling the volume in OUT.

 

[Xcdchdchjjf]

Hello Jozsef. I sounds to me as if you want to affect the volume w/o affecting tone. If that's the case, then add a Volume block after your Compressor. If you want to alter the tone, then you could do several things such as assigning the pedal to control one of the Drives, the Amp, or add the Volume block before the Amp. Why not experiment first with Volume blocks by adding one each before and after, use one at a time and see if that gets you there?

There are some factory presets designed for use with pedals, so why not check some of those out for ideas as well? Cooper Carter and Leon Todd have both discussed use of Volume pedals. Here's a quick vid by CC (covers multiuse of wah, but still good info):



BTW, you could simplify your preset quite a bit and do away with the Send and Return. I see you're using an AXE III, so CPU's not a problem, but it's not advisable to add in numerous useless shunts.

Good luck!

Cooper and Leon are such Pros.

 

[316ms]

Old thread , and hope to not get stoned from re-opening. I am pleased to find everyone finding all the levels endless. 1 thing and possibly a complaint. Every block you add has output level, which raises the overall level of the output of that scene. I guess it's good in some cases, however It's daunting to put it mildly. Please educate me. I did read the manual, it had suggested to make a preset or scene louder , instead of raising that volume, lower the ones you do not wish to be as loud, to avoid clipping. Makes sense.
When using preset leveler in edit, seems to be a great resolve as it won't change your tone( hopefully). Is it best to never hit the red on either of the output meters? Or just possibly tickle it a bit? And if you want a louder scene or preset, is it best to raise the amp knob in the preset leveler? The scene levels in the output block seem like a simple fix but does that change the tone of that scene. Preset leveler seems best, I just want to understand as best as possible. Thanks in advance

 

[sprint]

I tend to try and tickle the red on the levelling meters with the loudest sound in my preset (which provides about 10-12db of output clipping headroom), then adjust down from there using the amp block output level control mostly (an exception being if a specific fx block adds/removes volume, I will compensate with the output volume level in that fx block).

My biggest challenge is balancing clean / dirty volume but that's a perceptual thing.

For drives before cleanish / edge set amps I use the drive output level to compensate for volume when the drive goes on (not needed so much if the amp is already set at edge of breakup), however, sometimes I want a drive to push a cleanish amp hard to get a certain character which will increase volume, and, oppositely, in the case of some drive settings, the drive's output level will not be enough to maintain volume - so, to account for these cases, I've taken to putting a filter block after the amp block and set to go on/off with my drive block and synchronized to the drive's scene selection - if I need volume compensation given how I have the drive configured with the amp, I'll raise or lower the level in the filter block post amp. This also provides the ability to do some after distortion tone shaping for a distortion sound built with a combination of drive and amp.

 

[316ms]

I tend to try and tickle the red on the levelling meters with the loudest sound in my preset (which provides about 10-12db of output clipping headroom), then adjust down from there using the amp block output level control mostly (an exception being if a specific fx block adds/removes volume, I will compensate with the output volume level in that fx block).

My biggest challenge is balancing clean / dirty volume but that's a perceptual thing.

For drives before cleanish / edge set amps I use the drive output level to compensate for volume when the drive goes on (not needed so much if the amp is already set at edge of breakup), however, sometimes I want a drive to push a cleanish amp hard to get a certain character which will increase volume, and, oppositely, in the case of some drive settings, the drive's output level will not be enough to maintain volume - so, to account for these cases, I've taken to putting a filter block after the amp block and set to go on/off with my drive block and synchronized to the drive's scene selection - if I need volume compensation given how I have the drive configured with the amp, I'll raise or lower the level in the filter block post amp. This also provides the ability to do some after distortion tone shaping for a distortion sound built with a combination of drive and amp.

Like these suggestions. I did see CC video on ways to add a boost and filter block was mentioned. Most of my sounds currently are heavy amps , wanting to learn that before getting into drive blocks. Which are cool and sound awesome. I wont to get a good perception of a basic live setup. Clean, crunch and lead tones in a few amps, presets. Wah , delay and basic before and after PA effects signal chain. I know I'm leaving out a bunch, should be simple enough with all axe3 has in amps. Thanks again!

 

[rsvette12]

Cool thread lot to go over here

I just went into AXE III front panel on unit and made my Fractal pedal a global volume pedal - nothing to add or change on the grid is this limiting in some way or am I missing out somehow by not using grid to control overall volume ? thanks

Global setting in AXE would save a ton of preset volume additions I would assume

 

[unix-guy]

Old thread , and hope to not get stoned from re-opening. I am pleased to find everyone finding all the levels endless. 1 thing and possibly a complaint. Every block you add has output level, which raises the overall level of the output of that scene. I guess it's good in some cases, however It's daunting to put it mildly. Please educate me. I did read the manual, it had suggested to make a preset or scene louder , instead of raising that volume, lower the ones you do not wish to be as loud, to avoid clipping. Makes sense.
When using preset leveler in edit, seems to be a great resolve as it won't change your tone( hopefully). Is it best to never hit the red on either of the output meters? Or just possibly tickle it a bit? And if you want a louder scene or preset, is it best to raise the amp knob in the preset leveler? The scene levels in the output block seem like a simple fix but does that change the tone of that scene. Preset leveler seems best, I just want to understand as best as possible. Thanks in advance

Changing the level of every block doesn't necessarily change the overall level.

Blocks before the Amp block may just overdrive the amp and make it more saturated.

Using the scene level controls could make the level of reverb / delay trails change, which is why I prefer not to use those.

There's a reason the Leveling Tool includes controls for Amp 1 and Amp 2 Level