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Ah, but will Intel still be around then?

Intel will still be something then. They may not be selling massive numbers of household-name, high-margin desktop microprocessors. But they have so many products besides that, they won't be going away any time soon. Even if they aren't making bank on name brand CPUs.
 
That the good old 'competition' that makes everything 'better' under 'capitalism'.

Note the use of quotes on all 3 words.

I've recently came to really appreciate capitalism after having extensively studied its socialist alternative, communism. It gave us all a very good life, better then even the highest noblemen had in the past. And it also gave us the Axe-FX. It can't be that bad. Methinks its lack of competition that's driving our current woes. Too much is concentrated in too few a companies.

No year will ever be the year of the Linux desktop. That train left the station years ago.

In theory its still possible. An outside context problem may occur that may see a massive consumer shift to Linux? Maybe it gets revealed that both Windows and OSX have massive security failures or backdoors put in their by China and Western governments push for a move to linux instead? Or maybe they both ef up so badly in their hubris that in disgust we all turn over to linux?

It's possible. Not likely though.

Ah, but will Intel still be around then?

Barring a catastrophic event big corporations are remarkably sturdy. I think it's like trying to push over an elephant, even one that's not even trying to stand up. Mass and momentum can keep a large corporation going for a very long time, even while pointy haired bosses and bald CEO's are running it into the ground. And with that size you always have the option of buying your competition. (cough) Disney (cough)
 
I've recently came to really appreciate capitalism after having extensively studied its socialist alternative, communism. It gave us all a very good life, better then even the highest noblemen had in the past. And it also gave us the Axe-FX. It can't be that bad. Methinks its lack of competition that's driving our current woes. Too much is concentrated in too few a companies.
We used to have such nice anti-trust laws. Where are they now? Many things we were warned that would happen under communism have happened as the regulations keeping the capitalists on good behavior have been chipped away over the past 50 years. Small companies are better than large ones. Fractal is a small company, and quite obviously competes with the others in its field, and even itself, to put out a better product--as it should be. I am not concerned with the past and that we have it better than they did 500 years ago. I am only concerned with the past as a source of examples of what not to do or how to improve life for the majority of people. Things should get better with time for everyone, not just the elites. Large, greedy corporations and extreme wealth concentration will be our doom if we do not correct our course soon.

It's possible. Not likely though.
One can only hope. Computer OSses need a 'public option' that is not owned by greedy corporations. If Apple moves away from being a nice UI over a UNIX shell, they will lose me as a future customer. I don't get along with iOS at all.

Barring a catastrophic event big corporations are remarkably sturdy. I think it's like trying to push over an elephant, even one that's not even trying to stand up. Mass and momentum can keep a large corporation going for a very long time, even while pointy haired bosses and bald CEO's are running it into the ground. And with that size you always have the option of buying your competition. (cough) Disney (cough)
Disney isn't the only one. All the big ones do it. We used to have such nice anti-trust laws. Where are they now?
 
As much as I love Linux, it cannot get even close to what Windows delivers in Corporate enviroments. All the management possibilities via GPOs and other features plus a very good security improvement path is making it virtually unbeatable in the desktop area.
 
We used to have such nice anti-trust laws. Where are they now? Many things we were warned that would happen under communism have happened as the regulations keeping the capitalists on good behavior have been chipped away over the past 50 years. Small companies are better than large ones. Fractal is a small company, and quite obviously competes with the others in its field, and even itself, to put out a better product--as it should be. I am not concerned with the past and that we have it better than they did 500 years ago. I am only concerned with the past as a source of examples of what not to do or how to improve life for the majority of people. Things should get better with time for everyone, not just the elites. Large, greedy corporations and extreme wealth concentration will be our doom if we do not correct our course soon.


One can only hope. Computer OSses need a 'public option' that is not owned by greedy corporations. If Apple moves away from being a nice UI over a UNIX shell, they will lose me as a future customer. I don't get along with iOS at all.

We used to have such nice anti-trust laws. Where are they now?

They've been removing or non-enforcing those laws since the 1980's. Doesn't matter who is in power, they all like to suck off the campaign financing teats of big business. And big business wants to get big. Then again we, the consumer, should have said no and gone for an alternative. But hey, MS, Apple and Google all make such convenient products. Lets let them get away with it anyway, cause convenience.

As someone who studied history in university it has taught me that history does not repeat itself as we like to think. It may look that way because we only look for the familiars and ignore the unfamiliars. But history does not work to some end goal as well. Marx in his famous work of fiction Das Kapital conned a lot of people that history moves towards an inevitable end game, to each his own, according to their need. Or that our mighty capitalist democracies are some inevitable end game that the whole planet will come to embrace. History does not work that way, it just flows. Like a mighty river that sometimes moves past familiar landscapes, but always keeps on going, only never to emerge in some utopian sea. It's kinda like evolution. Sometimes a political and/or economic system works for a while, then it stops working as the things that used to make it work either no longer do or have disappeared. The Athenian democracy was more democratic then ours, yet it only lasted for less then 2 centuries before it was snuffed out by Alexander the Great and kings re-emerged and Athens became a sleepy city, always part of someone elses empire. Our democracy won't always be there. Sooner or later it will be replaced by something else. Let's make it later rather then sooner shall we? And make sure that when authoritarianism inevitably returns it will be enlighted, not despotic.
 
They've been removing or non-enforcing those laws since the 1980's. Doesn't matter who is in power, they all like to suck off the campaign financing teats of big business. And big business wants to get big. Then again we, the consumer, should have said no and gone for an alternative. But hey, MS, Apple and Google all make such convenient products. Lets let them get away with it anyway, cause convenience.

As someone who studied history in university it has taught me that history does not repeat itself as we like to think. It may look that way because we only look for the familiars and ignore the unfamiliars. But history does not work to some end goal as well. Marx in his famous work of fiction Das Kapital conned a lot of people that history moves towards an inevitable end game, to each his own, according to their need. Or that our mighty capitalist democracies are some inevitable end game that the whole planet will come to embrace. History does not work that way, it just flows. Like a mighty river that sometimes moves past familiar landscapes, but always keeps on going, only never to emerge in some utopian sea. It's kinda like evolution. Sometimes a political and/or economic system works for a while, then it stops working as the things that used to make it work either no longer do or have disappeared. The Athenian democracy was more democratic then ours, yet it only lasted for less then 2 centuries before it was snuffed out by Alexander the Great and kings re-emerged and Athens became a sleepy city, always part of someone elses empire. Our democracy won't always be there. Sooner or later it will be replaced by something else. Let's make it later rather then sooner shall we? And make sure that when authoritarianism inevitably returns it will be enlighted, not despotic.
History doesn't repeat, true, but it does quite often rhyme....
 
@Muad'zin:

I agree with your overall point about non-enforcement of antitrust; and while I'm Libertarian in my usual leanings it seems clear to me that our current situation begs for antitrust intervention if any example ever did. The tech oligopolies (Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon) are badly in need of a busting-up along lines distinguishing:
  • content provision/curation vs. common-carrier content distribution
  • marketplace/content infrastructure vs. the cloud services which supports them
  • search/user-experience-preferences
  • advertising/per-user-content-curation
  • user-selected experiences and purchases (video content, text/book content, anything sold on Amazon, etc.)
...into different businesses, with prior relationships under one banner now acting as free agents, not necessarily servicing (or being serviced by) the groups which were previously different departments in the same company, but now are separate companies entirely.

The big risk of not doing this, it seems to me, is that "free speech" and "the marketplace of ideas" remain theoretically intact de jure (inasmuch as the government can't prohibit your speech or you sharing ideas with others) but impossible to practice de facto (because an unelected oligopoly can suppress content, search results, users, products, and businesses according to its whims, whether profit-driven or ideologically-driven). No free society can long claim to be a "free society" under such a regime.

The less-important risk is that it's a practical impossibility to challenge the big players for market-share in any segment where they're involved, because they own all the infrastructure and support services that you need to use just to do business. (For example, if all the major publishers of video content also are the only large-scale providers of video-streaming bandwidth, the only way you can launch a competing publishing business is by first launching an equal-or-better panoply of video-streaming scalable cloud services. If you don't, your only alternative is to buy your bandwidth from your direct competitor. Good luck with that!)

I have to quibble about this sentence, though:
The Athenian democracy was more democratic than ours, yet it only lasted for less than 2 centuries...
Not sure I can go along with that comparison. I mean, "more democratic than ours" is true in one way: It was direct, rather than representative, democracy. But for my money, that makes Athenian democracy an inferior form of government for any polity larger than, say, 5,000 persons. (For larger societies, give me a Subsidiarist Separated-Powers Constitutional Democratic Republic any day!)

Granted, there's another way one might interpret the phrase "more democratic" (breadth of the franchise); but on that score, I think the modern U.S. wins. (In Athens, only adult male free citizens had the vote...so, after excluding women and slaves only about 30% of the population.)

I get that those distinctions aren't critical to what you were saying. It's just that the phrase "more democratic" kinda jumped out at me.

As for "less than 2 centuries": Yeah, to hear de Toqueville and Montesquieu talk, Republics rarely last longer than about 200 years. It isn't some Law of Nature that makes it that way, so it's not unreasonable to think we can stretch ours out a bit longer. But what are we to do about our population's lack of civic virtue, requisite habits, and basic understanding of what free societies are for and what their governments are supposed to do (and not do)...and more than anything, the constant appeal to sentiment over logic in moral and political discourse?

It's hard to maintain optimism, sometimes. "If you can keep it," indeed.
 
oh and if anybody else out there remembers trying to load a program (written in basic) onto their home computer from a cassette tape. chime in!

Ahhhh yea, I can remember laboriously indexing all of my cassette tapes/programs on my Commodore PET 4016, which became a PET 4032 after I added a whopping 16Kb of RAM in discreet chips to it in the early 80's.
 
So, I am wondering how Mac will work on ARM in compare to current Macs. As a Windows user since 3.11, I had to buy (company policy) MBP in January. I kinda like it, more often I am hating it, the only thing why I agreed is Windows running in Pararells ( I am using lot of specialist software that is available only on Windows). And it really works well, I checked it also with STALKER game series. But without Windows Apple will not be an option for me, and I am not going to use 2 computers...

And by the way: I remember the days and nights spent on putting the code on Spectrum, Timex, C64, 800XL, then I started with PC XT and all next generations of PC... I especially remember the game on PC Another World...
 
First Personal Computer was a used Atari 1040-ST paid almost $400 to upgrade to 4MB of RAM and another $200.00 for upgrading to TOS 1.4, didn't even have local disk, paid another $350 to get a used SCSI 300mb disk, in 1994 internet was command line on it with Prodigy dial up.. w/14.4 modem. In 1991 at work I managed a point of sales system no local disk only 8" floppy's, command line interface, the cpu was the size of home oven fitting since it was for the F&B department in a major chain Hotel.

Point is the evolution keeps changing, new chips this year will be old chips next year, and so it goes, 8 years ago I purchased a iMac for over $5k, now its in my storage locker.
 
I just got a MacBook Pro, so any hopes for a good resale value may have gone with the wind. I have many more questions than answers, particularly in the high end side of the things, computing that has a lot of HW load like Audio or Video processing, or CPU intensive requirements ... and what will happen with all those Thunderbolt devices???

Did somebody here lived the move to Intel back in the day? did it hurt?
The other way to look at is that you are set for the next 2-3 years (depending how often you upgrade) while others are the beta testers for the transition. Tim Cook said it would take 2 years so this gives you an extra year to let them iron out the bugs. Apple also has a trade in program so you can still get something back at the end. I plan to buy a fully loaded MBP soon which will see me through the transition and then decide which way to go from there. I use a lot of custom python scripts and not sure if they will run on AS computers (figuring they will but can always switch to a PC in a few years if they don’t.)
 
beta testers for the transition

iPad users were beta testers for this particular transition. It's very similar hardware. Nearly the same CPU as well.
 
@Muad'zin:

I agree with your overall point about non-enforcement of antitrust; and while I'm Libertarian in my usual leanings it seems clear to me that our current situation begs for antitrust intervention if any example ever did. The tech oligopolies (Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon) are badly in need of a busting-up along lines distinguishing:
  • content provision/curation vs. common-carrier content distribution
  • marketplace/content infrastructure vs. the cloud services which supports them
  • search/user-experience-preferences
  • advertising/per-user-content-curation
  • user-selected experiences and purchases (video content, text/book content, anything sold on Amazon, etc.)
...into different businesses, with prior relationships under one banner now acting as free agents, not necessarily servicing (or being serviced by) the groups which were previously different departments in the same company, but now are separate companies entirely.

The big risk of not doing this, it seems to me, is that "free speech" and "the marketplace of ideas" remain theoretically intact de jure (inasmuch as the government can't prohibit your speech or you sharing ideas with others) but impossible to practice de facto (because an unelected oligopoly can suppress content, search results, users, products, and businesses according to its whims, whether profit-driven or ideologically-driven). No free society can long claim to be a "free society" under such a regime.

It doesn't help that there is a growing part of the population willing to throw free speech under the bus because of 'not giving offense' or because it disagrees with them. Still, I'll take a tyranny driven by profit over one by moral busy bodies. The former might be satisfied once its bottom line has been reached and leave you to yourself. The latter will never EVER rest.

The less-important risk is that it's a practical impossibility to challenge the big players for market-share in any segment where they're involved, because they own all the infrastructure and support services that you need to use just to do business. (For example, if all the major publishers of video content also are the only large-scale providers of video-streaming bandwidth, the only way you can launch a competing publishing business is by first launching an equal-or-better panoply of video-streaming scalable cloud services. If you don't, your only alternative is to buy your bandwidth from your direct competitor. Good luck with that!)

In theory if it really bothered us people could band together, pool like a $100 per head and start their own company, laying down rivaling infrastructure. Once we have our own the monopoly of big tech is broken. If we wanted too that is. Or if their lackeys in government would allow it.

I have to quibble about this sentence, though:

Not sure I can go along with that comparison. I mean, "more democratic than ours" is true in one way: It was direct, rather than representative, democracy. But for my money, that makes Athenian democracy an inferior form of government for any polity larger than, say, 5,000 persons. (For larger societies, give me a Subsidiarist Separated-Powers Constitutional Democratic Republic any day!)

That may have been the case when it was physically impossible for the body of a nation to come together and vote, but these days we have the means to do so digitally. And what we see today is that our elected representatives have become a ruling class of their own, with their own subculture and interests in mind. And that any newcomer to that system that idealistically wants to shake up things either gets co-opted and slowly becomes part of the system, or some quicker then others, or gets mired in obstruction, scandals and constant bad press.

Granted, there's another way one might interpret the phrase "more democratic" (breadth of the franchise); but on that score, I think the modern U.S. wins. (In Athens, only adult male free citizens had the vote...so, after excluding women and slaves only about 30% of the population.)

You forget the large group of free non-citizens who lived and worked in Athens. Athens may fail in excluding its female citizens, but those were the times. And the main problem of slaves is not their lack of voting rights but their lack of any rights. And being considered property and stuff. On the flipside, those Athenians who got captured by an enemy after losing a battle would end up as slaves too. Just look at what happened to the Syracuse expedition.

And in the case of the US, anyone who lives in a red or blue state and is a follower of the other party basically has no say in how their country gets ruled, as their votes will get ignored come elections.

I get that those distinctions aren't critical to what you were saying. It's just that the phrase "more democratic" kinda jumped out at me.

Defining who gets to vote has always been a problem for any democracy. Even in ours today. Do teenagers get to vote? How about those without a legal permit? Minorities? Getting the right to vote has been a crucial part of our democracies and in Europe wasn't settled until the early 20th century for most countries. The Athenians had a very narrow restriction on who was a citizen, that's true. But those that did got more say in their system then we do in ours. Which I personally see as a 'democratically' sanctioned oligarchy. But that's basically all political systems. The means by which a ruling elite seeks to legitimize its rule. Either divine rights of kings, divine rights of the Ayatollah, dictatorship of the proletariat, the one party state, viva el presidente (for life!), you name it, the variations are endless. Some are more blatant then others, some, like ours, are more subtle.

As for "less than 2 centuries": Yeah, to hear de Toqueville and Montesquieu talk, Republics rarely last longer than about 200 years. It isn't some Law of Nature that makes it that way, so it's not unreasonable to think we can stretch ours out a bit longer. But what are we to do about our population's lack of civic virtue, requisite habits, and basic understanding of what free societies are for and what their governments are supposed to do (and not do)...and more than anything, the constant appeal to sentiment over logic in moral and political discourse?

Well, the Romans weren't that keen on seeing their empire collapse as well. Some sought to preserve their Republic when Caesar tried to turn it into an autocracy. August found a solution. Turn it into a republic all but name with himself as the self appointed protector (for life!). Diocletian tried it in the 3rd century, by dividing it and having more then one emperor. Constantine did it by introducing Christianity as the state religion and himself as autocrat by divine right. Right until the final collapse in 1453 as the Turks took Constantinople it was still officially the Senate and People of Rome (SPQR). Theoretically you can preserve a state well past its natural lifespan. It just won't be the same thing. France went through 3 forms of monarchy, 2 imperial forms of rule and 5 different forms of republic in 250 years? The Netherlands from a federal republic to a centralized monarchy. Russia from a monarchy to a communist dictatorship to chaos to a viva el presidente (for life!) republic. Change to keep the system afloat is a tried and tested thing. But there are no guarantees it will still be the same thing. Or that its citizens will still have the same rights.

It's hard to maintain optimism, sometimes. "If you can keep it," indeed.

Oh, I am sure the US will still be around in a century or two. The only question will what kind country it will be.

We need a 280 character limit on this forum

HELL NO!!!! :mad:

That is why Twatter is such a shitstorm. Because you can throw shit at someone with less then 280 characters, but you need more to properly defend yourself or give nuance with.
 
Constantine did it by introducing Christianity as the state religion and himself as autocrat by divine right.
Whoops, watch out, there. Constantine didn't do anything of the kind, that was Theodosius. (Not trying to be a noodge. It's a popular misconception; it leaves historians groaning, though.) Constantine's Edict of Milan was a mutual-toleration edict. It legalized Christianity: No more persecutions by the government. There was also a sort of indirect restoration of churches that previously had been confiscated and burned, mostly through donations from Constantine's Christian mother, Helena.

To be sure, having the new emperor's mom be a Christian, and the emperor himself favorable to Christianity, gave the religion a cachet it had previously lacked. (Formerly the elite had considered it a superstition of the provincial masses.) But Constantine himself (in hoc signo notwithstanding!) didn't even officially become a Christian himself until he was near-death: He presided at Nicea as head of the civic order, providing the venue, the armed security, and protection-guarantees for traveling bishops; but was himself an unbaptized observer.

The Roman emperor who made Christianity the state religion was either this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosius_I or arguably this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovian_(emperor) although the state-of-play under Jovian was closer to Edict of Milan territory: Toleration of both. All that came after this guy briefly reinstated paganism as the official religion, to the exclusion of Christianity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_(emperor)

As for "autocrat by divine right": I don't think that's fair to Constantine, either. Most of the prior emperors had been equally autocratic provided their reigns were stable. Certainly Nero and Diocletian were more autocratic by far. Nero and Commodus both drank their own ink when it came to literally being gods, themselves; and Domitian and Aurelian took the title dominus et deus (master and god) though it's less likely they believed it. Constantine likely believed the Christian god had given him the throne (and certainly liked having that story spread around); but he didn't think he was a god, and he didn't try to depict himself as one, as so many of his predecessors had.

Not that this has anything to do with guitar playing! :p But since the topic was raised...!

Re: "We need a 280 character limit...," you said:
That is why Twatter is such a shitstorm. Because you can throw shit at someone with less than 280 characters, but you need more to properly defend yourself or give nuance with.
...and that is so incredibly true, it ought to be inscribed in fifty-foot-high letters on a gigantic granite monument, which should then be dropped on Jack Dorsey's house.
 
Great, finally Apple hardware isn’t subject to Intel’s delays and slow moving technology. Intel really botched up their transition to 10nm technology while TSMC is far ahead. Primary reason why AMD is in a position of strength since TSMC manufactures their processors.

That being said, Intel Macs will be supported for a while, so they aren’t really going to be obsolete. At some point in 3-4 years when upgrading, most likely the ecosystem would have caught up.
 
Re: "We need a 280 character limit...," you said:

...and that is so incredibly true, it ought to be inscribed in fifty-foot-high letters on a gigantic granite monument, which should then be dropped on Jack Dorsey's house.
If you don’t like twitter just don’t read it or use it. Not like anyone is forcing you too. It can be a tremendous tool for accountability. You see the video of the Miami cop slug a woman at the airport? Posted to Twitter. Justified or not, it got people’s attention and will lead to an investigation on something that would have probably been whitewashed over in the past.
 
If you don’t like twitter just don’t read it or use it. Not like anyone is forcing you too. It can be a tremendous tool for accountability. You see the video of the Miami cop slug a woman at the airport? Posted to Twitter. Justified or not, it got people’s attention and will lead to an investigation on something that would have probably been whitewashed over in the past.

On the other hand that cop might be 100% in the right for doing so because the woman was an utter 100% Karen of the worst kind before he got filmed. It's all about the context. But Twatter takes everything out of context, because context and 280 characters don't mix and instead turns everything into trial by social media. Twatter has become the radicalization engine that fuels crazy and the world would improve immediately a 1000% if Twatter were to close down today. Twatter is the reason why we can't have nice things any more. Why Star Wars is crap, Star Trek is crap, Doctor Who is crap, basically everything in entertainment is crap. A few self appointed moral blue checkmarked busy bodies complain on Twatter and everybody bends over backwards to accommodate them. Nobody is forcing me to use Twatter, but self appointed Twatter Twats keep on inserting themselves into my life. And for that I want that piece of tech garbage to die. And when you, Twatter, please take Facebook and Instagram with you!

Please forgive my political outburst but I guess you might say I hate Twatter with a fiery passion bordering upon death.
 
If you don’t like twitter just don’t read it or use it. Not like anyone is forcing you too. It can be a tremendous tool for accountability. You see the video of the Miami cop slug a woman at the airport? Posted to Twitter. Justified or not, it got people’s attention and will lead to an investigation on something that would have probably been whitewashed over in the past.

What a joke.
 
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