Anyone here used an iOS app called the 'Musician Assistant'?

No problem Narzugon!
What you said about keeping it open ended is important to me, I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible to use so that you can set it up with minimal effort and spend more time playing. Having said that i can see what you mean about a copy and paste type feature. That would be useful, ill have a brainstorm about making the process of adding things even faster and see what i come up with.

I do plan to create an optimised iPad version and sync with iCloud however at the moment I've been focusing on getting the app to a point where I'm happy (and the users!) and have covered all the main essential features. So as soon as that stability is achieved ill properly put into a production an iPad version. I want to take full advantage of the bigger screen, instead of just blowing up the iPhone version.

Hope that helps!
 
Sounds good! Looking forward to the updates. If you can get time stats in there too I'll be reeeally happy. Nice to know effective practice time.
 
Hi guys, as well as being a guitarist and Fractal Audio fan I'm actually also the creator of the Musician Assistant. I noticed theres some great discussion here, lots of questions and valid points so i thought id step in and address them.

Hello! Good to see you. I bought the Musician Assistant yesterday. Is there a plan to port it to the iPad? And how about it version for OSX?

Edit - Oops! I didn't see your response above about iPad.
 
@Trazan - Thanks, a few people have inquired about that, i've noted it down to be worked on!

@henryrobinett - No problem, cheers for supporting!
 
What bvaughn is getting at is beyond the scope of this app in its current state. I like the fact that its small and open ended. If it were what he's wanting, I wouldn't buy it. Not because I think it's a bad idea, it's not what I need.

I respect that. But having a computerized journal is not something I will buy.

I've got great paper notebooks and metronomes that do that job just as good.

But it is an interesting program, and I'll continue to follow it. About the time you decide to not want it anymore should be about the time I buy it. :)
 
it'sso sad to see all the fabulos apps that are never out for Android... say what you want about apple but they got all the apps lol
 
I respect that. But having a computerized journal is not something I will buy.

I've got great paper notebooks and metronomes that do that job just as good.

But it is an interesting program, and I'll continue to follow it. About the time you decide to not want it anymore should be about the time I buy it. :)
I still don't understand. But that's OK. All of the things I practice are 100% mine I designed for me. No one could design something with pre-programed lessons or exercises. I can see a few example exercises and default page examples. But no. This would be a journal. I find this crucial for my own practice. Mine go back many years. It'd be helpful to have it all in one place, instead of on various papers or Word docs. Not life or death, but a perfect app for iPad. Too small for me on the iPhone though . . .
 
I still don't understand. But that's OK. All of the things I practice are 100% mine I designed for me. No one could design something with pre-programed lessons or exercises. I can see a few example exercises and default page examples. But no. This would be a journal. I find this crucial for my own practice. Mine go back many years. It'd be helpful to have it all in one place, instead of on various papers or Word docs. Not life or death, but a perfect app for iPad. Too small for me on the iPhone though . . .

Henry, I am most likely not explaining myself very well. Because actually what you have previously described sounds very much like what I am thinking. My mention of "built in" lessons were only a suggestion that might make the program more attractive to some buyers.

The link I provided does not give you canned lessons. You choose a lesson that is 100% your design. You choose the categories ... you choose the amount of time you have ... you choose the % weight you want to emphasize. The program generates the practice schedule.

It does NOT have any lessons. It is a time optimizer. And if you don't like the schedule it produced, then it is your fault since you put in the parameters.

The actual content of the lessons is your responsibility.

Call it an "algorithmically generated journal" if you like. It wouldn't contain actual lessons or exercises.

But let's say you wanted to practice Speed Picking, Sweep Picking and Music Theory this week. Suppose you only have 3 days to practice (M, Th, F) and an hour on M, 30 min for Th/F. You want to spend about 65% of your time on Speed Picking, and the remainder equally spaced between the other two.

Then, next week, you want to work on SongWriting, and Chords. You have 4 days to practice, 2 hours, and want to spend 90% of your time the 1st and 3rd day on songwriting, and 40% on the other two days.

Then the next week, you want ...

Algorithmically generated journal.

Now imagine an app that let's you create a fresh, new weekly (or daily) customized schedule in a matter of seconds.

That is all I'm talking about.

That, and a speed trainer, would make for an incredible app as far as I'm concerned.

But ... it honestly seems no one is interested in such an app. Which for the life of me, I can't understand why. People seem content with apps that take longer to create customized practices, or seem content with static practice programs.
 
I still don't understand. But that's OK. All of the things I practice are 100% mine I designed for me. No one could design something with pre-programed lessons or exercises. I can see a few example exercises and default page examples. But no. This would be a journal. I find this crucial for my own practice. Mine go back many years. It'd be helpful to have it all in one place, instead of on various papers or Word docs. Not life or death, but a perfect app for iPad. Too small for me on the iPhone though . . .

Henry or Narzugon, not sure if you looked at the website I posted, but here are its basic 10 steps for creating a practice program. I would be curious which part you don't think is good ... or how you see this as "canned".

All I am wishing for is an app that does this type of thing for me (I'm sure the reason why these guys don't create an app is because they probably make a lot more money charging a monthly fee to their site).


STEP 1: Commit yourself to creating a truly personalized and customized guitar practice schedule. Avoid using 'pre-made' cookie cutter or general schedules that are not specific to you.

STEP 2: Create a schedule that is big enough to include all items that you need to practice in order to reach your short and long term goals. To do this effectively, you will need to know how to distribute each of those many practice items across many days. In other words, do not create a one - day schedule that you repeat each day, but instead a 5-10 day schedule that is effective, flexible and correctly distributes those items over several days for maximum results.

STEP 3: Learn how to accurately and consistently know how your various skill levels (for each individual item you need to practice) needs to best influence how often each separate item should be practiced. In other words, your current skill level for each practice item should 'partially' determine how much time each day that specific item needs to be practiced. (Hint: Do NOT assume that the more skill you have in playing something means you should practice it 'less' than another item that you might be struggling with.)

STEP 4: Learn to fully understand the different separate strategies to reach short and long term goals through practice time in a guitar practice schedule. Then build your customized practice schedules to implement those different strategies for each item on your schedule as it pertains to each type of goal you have.

STEP 5: Learn to fully understand the different ways various categories of practice items should be practiced in order to master each of them. (Hint: Some things are best mastered when you practice them more frequently, but in less time. Other things in your schedules are best mastered when you practice them less often, but for longer amounts of time)

STEP 6: Know how to correctly and effectively balance the urgency of wanting to improve something and your quest to reach your short and long term goals. An item which you feel is 'urgent' to learn and master may be part of your short term goals. Other times it will really be part of your long term goals. Yet other times it may be part of both, or neither. So in each of these cases you need to create the schedule differently for that item.

STEP 7: Figure out how to harness the strengths of your 'personality type' so that your guitar practice schedules take this into account. More importantly, you must avoid letting any weaknesses of your personality type (every personality type has strengths and weaknesses) influence your practicing in a negative way whenever possible. Your schedule should help you to avoid this so that you make the maximum amount of progress as a guitar player from your practice time.

STEP 8: Next, after you've created your new guitar practice schedule, it is important to use some kind of automated 'timer' that will keep track of your practice time for each item for you and tell you when it is time to move on to the next item in your schedule. Using an automated timer like this will ensure you stay on course easily and accurately.

STEP 9: You need to track every minute of every item that you practice in a log. This is important for many reasons. One of these reasons is to monitor progress. Another reason is to track any items that you may have missed (or not completed) practicing on a previous day so that you always know what items you may need to go back to and practice. Both are critical contributors to your guitar playing success.

STEP 10: The final step - and one of the most important - is to repeat steps 1-9 every 1-2 weeks. Yes, that's right, you need to create new guitar practice schedules on a regular basis. Why? Because your skill levels, musical goals and challenges will naturally evolve as you improve as a guitar player. Therefore, what and how you practiced last month will NOT be the most effective way for you to practice this month. Your practice schedules must evolve as your playing evolves, each time taking into account the above mentioned factors!
 
Yeah, I mean that's great. I do all that stuff. I kind of read the link. I skimmed through it. But my life is practice and I've been at it many years. I practice 3-4 hours every single day and am very organized about what I do, how I do it based on what I want to accomplish. I'm already anal about it. I don't need anyone's else's organizational algorithms. I mean I can see how that might be cool, I guess but it's not for me.

I think, in many ways, we are the musicians we are due in no small part, to what and how we practice. I actually think it's a pretty personal thing. I am more intimate with my guitar than I am with anything else. I've spent more alone time with that damned thing than anything. I've poured more thought into designing programs to make me go from point A to point Z than I have into how I'm going to make a living. I problem solve my playing by working on programs for myself and then my students. But I don't see how what you describe would work for me. I've already got that covered. Because I can't do all of my technical exercises in one 4 hour day I rotate certain things and catch them every 4th or 5th day. Many things I do every day. A lot of things aren't technical work outs at all. It all depends what I'm trying to accomplish.

But I think what you're looking for is cool I just have no need for it, personally.
 
I read through it. To me it sounds like one of the many diet plans or self improvement fitness plans which are based off of someone's ideas/beliefs/experience/NASA approved alien data. :) At one point it was talking about basing things on your personality type and playing experience. Sounds like you would spend an equal amount of time plugging in as much data to have a schedule generated.

Like Henry, I've been playing long enough to know what and how to practice (not that I'm as dedicated as he is). If I want to explore something new I do a bit of digging on the net and incorporate it. I think your idea would be suited for some one looking to commit to someone's methodologies. Like a virtual teacher. And for a program to generate a schedule based on your input, it will have to pull from a set of predetermined variables which means someone's methodologies.

You're talking about some serious software to calculate a truly effective practice schedule based on your skill level, personality type, and availability for any given time frame. :) Otherwise, it just seems gimmicky. And btw, a notepad, pen and metronome seems so 20th century!
 
Yeah. It's this guys own methodology. That's what I was going to say. And there are SO MANY methodologies. And there have been so many SUCCESSFUL methodologies as well. People have come up with fantastic practice schedules and methods since long before JS Bach days, although not necessarily for guitar.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, to use a terrible analogy/saying/bromide.
 
Sounds like you would spend an equal amount of time plugging in as much data to have a schedule generated.

Like Henry, I've been playing long enough to know what and how to practice (not that I'm as dedicated as he is). If I want to explore something new I do a bit of digging on the net and incorporate it. I think your idea would be suited for some one looking to commit to someone's methodologies.

If done right, it should take less time than pencil/paper. And again ... maybe it is hard for you guys to imagine it if you never tried it (I have ... it is a nice thing, but I didn't like a monthly expense for it). This isn't someone's method for practicing. It is a time optimizer (and thus could be used for anything from exercise, work, eating, ...).

If you don't like the practice schedule, it is your fault. You are the one who setup the parameters.

Imagine you have a guitar teacher ... he asks, "What do you want to learn?" "I want to learn XYZ" "Ok, how often can you practice this week and for how long" "I can do ABC" "Ok, here is how I would split up your time this way this week. And guess what, I'll also record what you do, and keep time for you. I'll tell you when to switch to another exercise."

This type of application fits ANY system of practice. Every methodology. It is basically having a Henry Robinett or Narzugon living in my phone.

They do NOT pull off everything they say. They can't tap into personality type and things like that. That is just a facade to sell their product.

I guess I can see where you guys are coming from. But, I could create a Note file in my iPhone for various exercises I do. I could buy a dedicated metronome for my iPhone. What does this software do (or do easier) that I can't do with that given solution? I don't need a journal with Notes. I don't technically need a metronome, especially if I still own one.

So, what is the big deal about this app? Maybe that is a better direction to ask since it seems you guys feel this app is an incredible find for practicing. Again, seems like a cool app and one I'll follow. But I can't think of anything this app helps me to do make practicing easier or more time efficient. What exactly am I missing that you guys see in this?
 
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Hey, I don't know what the big deal is with this app. I don't know that I'll use it. I'm looking for something that is an all in one solution. Presently I use Word document I set up, a Metronome (not software) and a timer. Three different things. It'd just be cool to have everything in one location, that has a timer I can pause and start, without stopping, and that logs the time and notes made in each category.

The guy has a method, not in specifics of what to practice, but HOW to practice. I've written a manual I give to my students that's very similar. These things have been around. Consistency, varying your attention or work load, how to focus, how long to drill before changing routines, how to drill, when, what to do if you get bored, how to schedule and rotate. This isn't new. But it's cool if you're discovering it.
 
Imagine you have a guitar teacher ... he asks, "What do you want to learn?" "I want to learn XYZ" "Ok, how often can you practice this week and for how long" "I can do ABC" "Ok, here is how I would split up your time this way this week. And guess what, I'll also record what you do, and keep time for you. I'll tell you when to switch to another exercise."

This type of application fits ANY system of practice. Every methodology. It is basically having a Henry Robinett or Narzugon living in my phone.

You may want to reconsider and drop me from the list. I'd get you into more trouble than practice. :) I understand what you're saying but in order to have an "effective" schedule planned for you based on your input there has to be a methodology to draw from.

Simple Example: This week you only have 5 free hours over 5 days. You'd like to concentrate on finger exercises, modal positions and major inversions. If Henry wrote the program his methods may suggest 15 minutes per day on exercises, 15 minutes per day on modal positions and 30 minutes a day on inversions. If it were my program my methodologies may suggest just the opposite.

If the program didn't offer an educated suggestion you may as well randomize it yourself. As for this app, I don't see it as an OMG app at all. I see it as a cool, small utility that will allow me to organize and track what I want to practice. Much like the pen, paper and metronome but easier to carry around.
 
The problem with telling you when to switch to another exercise is, the app wouldn't know when you were done. Having arbitrary time limits I've found, for myself, is useless. Practice till you GET IT. And then do it again tomorrow. I don't like giving up or stopping something simply because your 20 minutes is up. Likewise I don't like necessarily playing the same thing for an hour when you've consistently nailed it in 15 minutes. Time is just arbitrary.
 
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