any news about AXE FX IV?

BROCKSTAR said:
Maybe, however I can bet that A LOT of those people are probably only using captured profiles by someone else (much like the kemper world) therefore doesn't really know if it sounds like the real deal because they didn't capture it or don't have anything to capture etc.

So if we're getting into that ballpark, then modelling is just as good and we can share presets of those too.
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Fractal’s modeling is world-class, no question, but you’re still limited to what’s been officially modeled so far. If a new amp or drive or fuzz or speaker drops tomorrow, you can’t use it on the Axe-Fx unless Fractal decides to model it down the line, assuming enough people request it on the Wish List forum and it makes the cut. With captures, you’re not waiting around. If someone grabs that tone and uploads it, you can explore it immediately. It opens the door to way more experimentation and variety, without being bottlenecked by a company’s roadmap.

It’s not that one method is better than the other; they offer different strengths. But if an Axe-Fx IV could combine Fractal’s best-in-class modeling with the freedom of capturing, you’d get the best of both worlds. And that’s something a lot of players would be excited about.
 
biggness said:
Fractal’s modeling is world-class, no question, but you’re still limited to what’s been officially modeled so far. If a new amp or drive or fuzz or speaker drops tomorrow, you can’t use it on the Axe-Fx unless Fractal decides to model it down the line, assuming enough people request it on the Wish List forum and it makes the cut. With captures, you’re not waiting around. If someone grabs that tone and uploads it, you can explore it immediately. It opens the door to way more experimentation and variety, without being bottlenecked by a company’s roadmap.

It’s not that one method is better than the other; they offer different strengths. But if an Axe-Fx IV could combine Fractal’s best-in-class modeling with the freedom of capturing, you’d get the best of both worlds. And that’s something a lot of players would be excited about.
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True you got a point on that for sure. That could be fun to have things right away as long as it was captured correctly, instead of waiting on firmware to drop that may not have something you want.
 
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biggness said:
Fractal’s modeling is world-class, no question, but you’re still limited to what’s been officially modeled so far. If a new amp or drive or fuzz or speaker drops tomorrow, you can’t use it on the Axe-Fx unless Fractal decides to model it down the line, assuming enough people request it on the Wish List forum and it makes the cut. With captures, you’re not waiting around. If someone grabs that tone and uploads it, you can explore it immediately. It opens the door to way more experimentation and variety, without being bottlenecked by a company’s roadmap.

It’s not that one method is better than the other; they offer different strengths. But if an Axe-Fx IV could combine Fractal’s best-in-class modeling with the freedom of capturing, you’d get the best of both worlds. And that’s something a lot of players would be excited about.
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Not disagreeing, but there are flip sides too, as I'm sure you're aware, but just to say it...

The quality of Fractal models is very high, where random captures uploaded by random folks on the net are inherently going to be more random quality..

That makes the process of looking for new tones less like experimenting with amp settings and cab and mic choices, and more like shopping a giant catalog of pre-built randomware.

Models also respond much better to control changes than captures, which typically only sound natural with the controls pretty close to how they were set when the capture was made.
 
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Zedhed said:
Pity "extensive research" doesn't include using the forum search function.
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Okay, okay. Even if there were some news, an old thread most likely wouldn't contain it.

OP- considering how great the III is now, just think about what it will do for you, whether that be, as in my case, inspiring me to practice a TON, and as such, become a much better player than I've ever been, or inspiring you to write more, or whatever it may be in your case..., the longer you wait, the less of that you'll have.

Don't hesitate any longer.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Not disagreeing, but there are flip sides too, as I'm sure you're aware, but just to say it...

The quality of Fractal models is very high, where random captures uploaded by random folks on the net are inherently going to be more random quality..

That makes the process of looking for new tones less like experimenting with amp settings and cab and mic choices, and more like shopping a giant catalog of randomware.

Models also respond much better to control changes than captures, which typically only sound natural with the controls pretty close to how they were set when the capture was made.
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Totally fair points! And you’re absolutely right that not all captures are created equally. But to be fair, the same can be said for presets. It doesn’t take long browsing AxeChange to see that some presets are absolute gold, while others… not so much. Lol.

And presets come with their own quirks. Chief among them being what I’d call the “curse of the blessing.” Fractal’s constant firmware improvements are awesome, but they also mean that a killer preset today might sound totally different a year later when you finally discover it. You end up chasing tone just to stay consistent.

As for capture quality, that’s where trusted creators come in. Much like with Fractal, certain names build reputations for consistently great work. Whether it’s a capture or a preset, people start gravitating toward creators they trust. It’s the same ecosystem, just applied to a different format.

One area I do think capture-based devices could really evolve is in how they handle tone shaping post-capture. A fixed EQ curve doesn’t respect how different amp tone stacks behav. What works for a Plexi isn’t going to behave the same for a 5150, an AC30, or a Twin Reverb. It’s a one-size-fits-all compromise.

But imagine if a device allowed you to select a tonestack style after the capture, just like we can in the advanced controls of the Fractal Amp block. It wouldn’t be 100% accurate to the original circuit, but it’d get a hell of a lot closer than what we have now. And if anyone could pull off making those post-capture tone interactions feel real and dynamic, it’s Cliff and the team at Fractal.

So yeah, captures have their trade-offs, but the potential is massive, especially if implemented with the same level of precision Fractal applies to modeling and everything else.
 
But patches need tweeking - I doubt people are posting patches designed for a Parker Fly Deluxe. And then what if I pick up my SG? So I am not sure (educate me) that those captures are easily manipulated like my patches. Opinions?
 
biggness said:
Totally fair points! And you’re absolutely right that not all captures are created equally. But to be fair, the same can be said for presets. It doesn’t take long browsing AxeChange to see that some presets are absolute gold, while others… not so much. Lol.

And presets come with their own quirks. Chief among them being what I’d call the “curse of the blessing.” Fractal’s constant firmware improvements are awesome, but they also mean that a killer preset today might sound totally different a year later when you finally discover it. You end up chasing tone just to stay consistent.

As for capture quality, that’s where trusted creators come in. Much like with Fractal, certain names build reputations for consistently great work. Whether it’s a capture or a preset, people start gravitating toward creators they trust. It’s the same ecosystem, just applied to a different format.

One area I do think capture-based devices could really evolve is in how they handle tone shaping post-capture. A fixed EQ curve doesn’t respect how different amp tone stacks behav. What works for a Plexi isn’t going to behave the same for a 5150, an AC30, or a Twin Reverb. It’s a one-size-fits-all compromise.

But imagine if a device allowed you to select a tonestack style after the capture, just like we can in the advanced controls of the Fractal Amp block. It wouldn’t be 100% accurate to the original circuit, but it’d get a hell of a lot closer than what we have now. And if anyone could pull off making those post-capture tone interactions feel real and dynamic, it’s Cliff and the team at Fractal.

So yeah, captures have their trade-offs, but the potential is massive, especially if implemented with the same level of precision Fractal applies to modeling and everything else.
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I am ready for the future where we can capture a chase bliss MOOD pedal into a single block :D bring that on lol.
 
biggness said:
Totally fair points! And you’re absolutely right that not all captures are created equally. But to be fair, the same can be said for presets. It doesn’t take long browsing AxeChange to see that some presets are absolute gold, while others… not so much. Lol.

And presets come with their own quirks. Chief among them being what I’d call the “curse of the blessing.” Fractal’s constant firmware improvements are awesome, but they also mean that a killer preset today might sound totally different a year later when you finally discover it. You end up chasing tone just to stay consistent.

As for capture quality, that’s where trusted creators come in. Much like with Fractal, certain names build reputations for consistently great work. Whether it’s a capture or a preset, people start gravitating toward creators they trust. It’s the same ecosystem, just applied to a different format.

One area I do think capture-based devices could really evolve is in how they handle tone shaping post-capture. A fixed EQ curve doesn’t respect how different amp tone stacks behav. What works for a Plexi isn’t going to behave the same for a 5150, an AC30, or a Twin Reverb. It’s a one-size-fits-all compromise.

But imagine if a device allowed you to select a tonestack style after the capture, just like we can in the advanced controls of the Fractal Amp block. It wouldn’t be 100% accurate to the original circuit, but it’d get a hell of a lot closer than what we have now. And if anyone could pull off making those post-capture tone interactions feel real and dynamic, it’s Cliff and the team at Fractal.

So yeah, captures have their trade-offs, but the potential is massive, especially if implemented with the same level of precision Fractal applies to modeling and everything else.
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Drop $199 on a Tonex One. The Axe is fantastic but there is one person who decides what amps make it into the Axe. People have waited years for some amps that you can find in a few minutes on ToneX. Want a jumpered EF86 DC-30 (has that made it onto the Axe yet?) you will find one in no time. Running both gives you the best of both worlds.
 
The only thing I would like to see is a match for the Tonex One. I carry a Tonex One as a back up and use it for emergency or sub gigs. I have an FM3 and an AXE 3. I would suggest the ability to load 4 presets from the Mothership and just be able to step through them with one button. 5 small knobs would cover everything and USB C with 9v power. Comparably priced. This would help with rehearsals, practice, and amazing portability. Of course I use the main units for bigger shows or most venues. But whatever happens, just dont stop the body rock.
 
Given this is the official manufacturer's forum, two things:

1) No hints will be given unless it is ready to be released. Beta testers are given NDAs and it has to be pretty much ready for production for an official announcement to happen.

2) Being FAS' flagship product, an announcement will be right uploaded both to the website and in the News section of the forum, not secretly posted in between hundreds of posts in some random thread.

So, yeah. It could be tomorrow, a year, two or five from now. Nobody except Cliff & co knows and they won't spill the beans until it's ready.
 
AJ Vargas said:
Given this is the official manufacturer's forum, two things:

1) No hints will be given unless it is ready to be released. Beta testers are given NDAs and it has to be pretty much ready for production for an official announcement to happen.

2) Being FAS' flagship product, an announcement will be right uploaded both to the website and in the News section of the forum, not secretly posted in between hundreds of posts in some random thread.

So, yeah. It could be tomorrow, a year, two or five from now. Nobody except Cliff & co knows and they won't spill the beans until it's ready.
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One thing is certain though, someone will come on here and cry "i just bought the 3 thats not fair waaaaaaa" 🤣
 

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The III is outstanding and worth every penny, new or used, even with the possibility of a IV on the horizon.

To me, it's more interesting to know whether the amps users have been requesting for years will be added, rather than whether the IV is just around the corner - that's just me.
 
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... i'll just say... how much better sound are you expecting? plenty of big acts using this equipment. and many of them seem to be using only a fraction of its capabilities.
 
Rick said:
it doesn’t make business sense to put out a “you’re buying a soon-to-be non-flagship.”
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Nor would it make sense to give their competition a heads up that something new is soon to arrive, and give hints what it'll have in it. The competition are very aware of the sort of hardware Fractal uses and they'd also be aware of what processors are necessary and available. They could try to buy out the supply chain. That's the problem when other companies have bigger pockets.

Fractal being silent about future products is a competitive advantage.
 
The axe FX 2 was spot on in every comment and It s true i still have One beside the 3 then became incomparabile...i could not Imagine where the IV could be Better sonically speaking..
 
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