Default tonestack list

Jens

Jens

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Maybe I am just not able to use the search function as I sometimes point out to others....

but I was wondering if there somewhere is a list of which default tonestacks are used for each amp model?

F.ex vintage tonestack goes with which amp model?

Jens
 
Not sure I completely understand your question, but each amp modeled uses the original tonestack to the best of my knowledge. But it must always be remembered that settings on actual amplifier knobs do NOT correlate to knobs on the Axe virtual amplifiers .... Axe-FX II is better with ears rather than eyes!!!
 
VegasGuitar said:
Not sure I completely understand your question, but each amp modeled uses the original tonestack to the best of my knowledge. But it must always be remembered that settings on actual amplifier knobs do NOT correlate to knobs on the Axe virtual amplifiers .... Axe-FX II is better with ears rather than eyes!!!
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I am not so sure that they all use the original tonestack, f.ex what is the tonestack of the jcm 800? is it plexi?. Which amp uses the vintage tonestack? which tonestack for the friedman or the bassman.
They don't appear in the list, so I expect that an identical or at least similar tonestack was used. All I want to know is what goes where? :)

For the rest I guess I can never be reminded enough that I should use my ears not my eyes when I am making a patch but I don't see what it has to do with my question... ;)

Jens
 
Jens said:
I am not so sure that they all use the original tonestack, f.ex what is the tonestack of the jcm 800? is it plexi?. Which amp uses the vintage tonestack? which tonestack for the friedman or the bassman.
They don't appear in the list, so I expect that an identical or at least similar tonestack was used. All I want to know is what goes where? :)

For the rest I guess I can never be reminded enough that I should use my ears not my eyes when I am making a patch but I don't see what it has to do with my question... ;)

Jens
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im not so sure thats a correct assumption, the selectable tonestack mods wouldnt be the only tonestacks in the system, those are just a shortened list of stacks that they chose, it probably takes up data having those modifiable tone stacks and so they cut down the list to 15 or so. the jcm 800 would have been modelled on a real life 800
 
You can use 2 amp blocks plus the enhancer to find which tonestack matches the default. Place amps in parallel, send the same guitar or synth signal to them, pan them L/R, run both into enhancer, center both channels & invert one w/ width at 0%. Set both amps the same way (i.e. just change type w/ tone controls at defaults) then swap tonestacks in one amp. Whatever cancels to silence is likely the same as the passive tonestack. Brit 800 = Plexi tonestack.
 
Bakerman: Thanks! That makes a lot of sense of course :) You're the unsung hero of problem-solving around here!

So I spend 45 minutes going through the amps, and here are my results and the patch I used.

I think that you'll find quite a few surprises and one match that I re-did a few times to check if I did not make a mistake....

The patch I made is set to the Mr Z amp.

Feel free to check a few, most of them I just ran through so I might have messed one up...

Jens

here's the list:

Amp - Tonestack

Tube Pre - Vintage
Jazz - Vintage
Brownface - Brownface
59 Bassguy - Blues
Deluxe Verb - Blackface
Double Verb - Blackface
Class A - Vintage
Top Boost - Top Boost
Plexi 1 - Plexi
Brit 800 - Plexi
Brit 900 - Plexi
Brown - Plexi
Boutique 1 - Boutique
Boutique 2 - Boutique
Hi Power 1 - Hi Power
Hi Power 2 - Hi Power
USA Clean - USA Clean
USA Rhythm 1 - USA Clean
USA Rhythm 2 - USA Lead
USA Lead 1 - USA Lead
USA Lead 2 - USA Lead
Recto Orange - Recto Org
Recto Red - Recto Red
Solo 100 - Solo X99
Spec. Od 1 - Skyline
Spec. Od 2 - Plexi
Euro Blue - Euro
Euro Red - Euro
UK GC30 - Blackface
Buttery - Plexi
Metal - Plexi
Big Hair - Carolann
Hellbeast - Plexi
Supertweed - Blackface
Fusion - Plexi
FAS Clean - USA Clean
FAS Crunch - USA Clean
FAS Lead 1 - USA Lead
FAS Lead 2 - USA Lead
FAS Modern - Recto Red
JR Blues - Blues JR
Brit Pre - Plexi
Recto New - Recto Red
Energyball - German
HAD ODS 1 - Plexi
Wrecker 1 - Wrecker
Brit JM45 - Brit JM45
Das Metall - Recto Red
Plexi 2 - Plexi
SV Bass - Vintage
CA3+ Rhy - CA3+SE
CA3+ LD - CA3+SE
Eggie R20 - Blues JR
USA IIC+ 1 - USA Clean
USA IIC+ 2 - USA Clean
Fryette D60L - Freyer D60
Fryette D60M - Freyer D60
Mr Z 38 SR - Brownface
Euro Uber - Euro Uber
PVH 5105 - PVH 5105
 

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Ooo... some good work here!
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Not sure I fully understand it to be honest, but it looks like something I'll delve further into!
 
Thanks!

Maybe this helps?:

I was trying to check out the tonestack parameter in Amp Geek page in the amp block. It has passive as default value for all amps, and you can change to one of the available other tonestacks.

But the number of tonestack types is much smaller than the number of amps so some amps must be using the same tonestacks (that is logical and also true for a lot of tube amps AFAIK anyway...)

So since it only says passive you can't see which amp has which default tonestack and I was always curious about what went where (I am like that! ;) and it was not always obvious from the name
of the tonestack) Hence this thread and Bakermans brilliant idea for comparing tonestacks in an easy way.

It reveals some interesting and surprising results since f.ex there is no amp using the Dr Z tonestack and 2 of the 3 dumble models have plexi tonestacks and not the skyline tonestack.

Jens
 
Big Hair - Carolann seemed odd so I checked that--it's actually Plexi. Here are the rest:

SOLO 99 CLN - SOLO X99
SOLO 99 RHY - SOLO X99
SOLO 99 RHY - SOLO X99
CORNCOB R100 - CORNCOB
CAROLANN OD2 - CAROLANN
CITRUS RV50 - CITRUS
SHIVER CLN - BLACKFACE
SHIVER LD - PLEXI
1987X MOD - PLEXI
MARSHA BE - PLEXI
MARSHA HBE - PLEXI
 
Yeah thanks! I thought that was wierd too, but I never used that amp..

The other one that really baffled me was the Dr Z? :)

I actually had the rest but the must have gotten lost in the copy/paste

Thanks for the help! :)

Jens

Here's a complete list:
Tube Pre - Vintage
Jazz - Vintage
Brownface - Brownface
59 Bassguy - Blues
Deluxe Verb - Blackface
Double Verb - Blackface
Class A - Vintage
Top Boost - Top Boost
Plexi 1 - Plexi
Brit 800 - Plexi
Brit 900 - Plexi
Brown - Plexi
Boutique 1 - Boutique
Boutique 2 - Boutique
Hi Power 1 - Hi Power
Hi Power 2 - Hi Power
USA Clean - USA Clean
USA Rhythm 1 - USA Clean
USA Rhythm 2 - USA Lead
USA Lead 1 - USA Lead
USA Lead 2 - USA Lead
Recto Orange - Recto Org
Recto Red - Recto Red
Solo 100 - Solo X99
Spec. Od 1 - Skyline
Spec. Od 2 - Plexi
Euro Blue - Euro
Euro Red - Euro
UK GC30 - Blackface
Buttery - Plexi
Metal - Plexi
Big Hair - Plexi
Hellbeast - Plexi
Supertweed - Blackface
Fusion - Plexi
FAS Clean - USA Clean
FAS Crunch - USA Clean
FAS Lead 1 - USA Lead
FAS Lead 2 - USA Lead
FAS Modern - Recto Red
JR Blues - Blues JR
Brit Pre - Plexi
Recto New - Recto Red
Energyball - German
HAD ODS 1 - Plexi
Wrecker 1 - Wrecker
Brit JM45 - Brit JM45
Das Metall - Recto Red
Plexi 2 - Plexi
SV Bass - Vintage
CA3+ Rhy - CA3+SE
CA3+ LD - CA3+SE
Eggie R20 - Blues JR
USA IIC+ 1 - USA Clean
USA IIC+ 2 - USA Clean
Fryette D60L - Freyer D60
Fryette D60M - Freyer D60
Mr Z 38 SR - Brownface
Euro Uber - Euro Uber
PVH 5105 - PVH 5105
Solo 99 Cln - Solo X99
Solo 99 Rhy - Solo X99
Solo 99 Ld - Solo X99
Corncob R100 - Corncob
CarolAnn Od2 - Carolann
Citrus RV50 - Citrus
Shiver Cln - Blackface
Shiver Ld - Plexi
1987X Mod - Plexi
Marsha BE - Plexi
Marsha HBE - Plexi
 
Thanks for doing the grunt work and posting the results. I experimented with using the Skyline tonestack with the HAD and liked it better than the default.
 
JJunkie said:
yeah weird DR Z.. you'd think it would have its own tonestack..
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Very surprising :) But didn't that amp get reworked in one of the updates maybe it changed then? The two tonestacks sound sort of similar I guess?

Jens
 
So maybe I have pseudo science tweaker OCD? But I thought it would make more sense to add the tonestack freq, position and presence frequency to the list when using it as a reference.

Jens

Amp - Tonestack - position - tonestack frequency - prescence freq

Tube Pre - Vintage - pre - 500 - 3010
Brownface - Brownface - pre - 552 - 996
59 Bassguy - Blues - post - 751 - 1497
Deluxe Verb - Blackface - pre - 469 - 996
Double Verb - Blackface - pre - 469 - 996
Class A - Vintage - post - 699 - 3010
Top Boost - Top Boost - post - 699 - 3010
Plexi 1 - Plexi - post - 599 - 996
Brit 800 - Plexi - post - 599 - 996
Brit 900 - Plexi - post - 599 - 996
Brown - Plexi - post - 599 - 996
Boutique 1 - Boutique - pre - 398 - 3010
Boutique 2 - Boutique - pre - 398 - 3010
Hi Power 1 - Hi Power - pre - 351 - 2001
Hi Power 2 - Hi Power - pre - 351 - 2001
USA Clean - USA Clean - pre - 699 - 2001
USA Rhythm 1 - USA Clean - pre - 699 - 2510
USA Rhythm 2 - USA Lead - pre - 699 - 2510
USA Lead 1 - USA Lead - pre - 251 - 996
USA Lead 2 - USA Lead - pre - 251 - 996
Recto Orange - Recto Org - post - 599 - 996
Recto Red - Recto Red - post - 599 - 996
Solo 100 - Solo X99 - post - 599 - 996
Spec. Od 1 - Skyline - pre - 398 - 996
Spec. Od 2 - Plexi - post - 801 - 996
Euro Blue - Euro - post - 599 - 996
Euro Red - Euro - post - 599 - 996
UK GC30 - Blackface - pre - 699 - 2001
Buttery - Plexi - post - 448 - 3010
Metal - Plexi - post - 801 - 996
Big Hair - Plexi - post - 1004 - 996
Hellbeast - Plexi - post - 1496 - 996
Supertweed - Blackface - pre - 469 - 996
Fusion - Plexi - pre - 599 - 996
FAS Clean - USA Clean - pre - 599 - 996
FAS Crunch - USA Clean - pre - 500 - 996
FAS Lead 1 - USA Lead - pre - 398 - 1497
FAS Lead 2 - USA Lead - pre - 301 - 1497
FAS Modern - Recto Red - post - 699 - 3010
JR Blues - Blues JR - pre - 801 - 996
Brit Pre - Plexi - post - 901 - 996
Recto New - Recto Red - post - 599 - 996
Energyball - German - post - 599 - 996
HAD ODS 1 - Plexi - post - 650 - 996
Wrecker 1 - Wrecker - pre - 398 - 996
Brit JM45 - Brit JM45 - post - 751 - 996
Das Metall - Recto Red - post - 599 - 3010
Plexi 2 - Plexi - post - 599 - 1249
SV Bass - Vintage - pre - 751 - 996
CA3+ Rhy - CA3+SE - post - 1004 - 996
CA3+ LD - CA3+SE - post - 1004 - 996
Eggie R20 - Blues JR - pre - 801 - 996
USA IIC+ 1 - USA Clean - pre - 853 - 996
USA IIC+ 2 - USA Clean - pre - 853 - 996
Fryette D60L - Freyer D60 - post - 1004 - 1249
Fryette D60M - Freyer D60 - post - 1004 - 1249
Mr Z 38 SR - Brownface - pre - 699 - 996
Euro Uber - Euro Uber - post - 650 - 1497
PVH 5105 - PVH 5105 - post - 552 - 996
Solo 99 Cln - Solo X99 - pre - 599 - 996
Solo 99 Rhy - Solo X99 - post - 599 - 996
Solo 99 Ld - Solo X99 - post - 599 - 996
Corncob R100 - Corncob - post - 599 - 996
CarolAnn Od2 - Carolann - post - 718 - 952
Citrus RV50 - Citrus - post - 718 - 996
Shiver Cln - Blackface - pre - 469 - 996
Shiver Ld - Plexi - post - 599 - 996
1987X Mod - Plexi - post - 599 - 1249
Marsha BE - Plexi - post - 599 - 1249
Marsha HBE - Plexi - post - 599 - 1249
 
J It reveals some interesting and surprising results since f.ex there is no amp using the Dr Z tonestack and 2 of the 3 dumble models have plexi tonestacks and not the skyline tonestack. Jens[/QUOTE said:
wow!that's a lot of work you did there.
the way i understood it though,each amp in it's "passive" tonestack was it's default tonestack.the list of alternate tonestacks was for experimentation purposes.i remember reading about the Dumble amps that the skyline tonestack was a modification by dumble themselves,not standard on their amps until later models.
but maybe your on to something,i don't know.sounds like a question for Cliff.
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RDeraz said:
wow!that's a lot of work you did there.
the way i understood it though,each amp in it's "passive" tonestack was it's default tonestack.the list of alternate tonestacks was for experimentation purposes.i remember reading about the Dumble amps that the skyline tonestack was a modification by dumble themselves,not standard on their amps until later models.
but maybe your on to something,i don't know.sounds like a question for Cliff.
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Well to me the result is more some info so that you know what options you have. I did indeed think that the dumbles all used the skyline tonestack, but now we know that you can choose that option too. And maybe we also know that the tonestack on the overdrive channel is similar to a plexi, so that might be something to try too when making patches. That's to me very useful when trying to combine tonestacks and amps.

In the end I have no real idea how a real dumble sounds and reacts since I never played one.

Jens
 
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