Wish Fortin Meshuggah amp

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Yeah this one is at 50ex , 5000 dollars etc…
But what a sound



Here are the infos I have found :

« JCM800 with Jose mod. Gain controls for first two stages, bright cap on gain 2, goosed V1a plate load, pre-tone-stack master volume with clipping diodes. The rest is stock JCM800.«

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« But yeah, it's pretty similar to an Atomica in many ways and also some Camerons I've seen. And also just a general DIYer take on the Jose mod. People discussing this kind of circuit on many forums over the years (Metro, SLO Clone, Amp Garage, etc.). The specific combo of cathode arrangements and voicing options are usually what most people suggest for a punchy modded Marshall sound. 2k7/.68 cathodes in the first two stages, 820R/.68 in the third. 330K v1a plate, bright cap and NFB to taste.«

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What most people refer to as the "Jose Mod" in it's most basic form, is a pre-tone stack master volume control with some clipping diodes. This mod also utilizes a cap and a resistor between the cathode follower and volume control. So really... you have one resistor, one cap, one pot, and two zener diodes (or transistors) between V2b and the tone stack. About $8 in parts. The degree of clipping can be changed by using different zener diodes and you can wire them up symmetrically or asymmetrically for different clipping characteristics.

You can get creative and add multiple clipping options on a switch, alter the value of the cap to affect the sound/feel, add resistors in certain places to lessen the effect of the diodes and make them more "tube-like" in their response, and so on. All of this is outlined in books on the tube amps.

Now, that basic mod sounds much better when combined with other things in the circuit. Like utilizing independent gain controls for each of the first two stages, raising V1a plate resistor value slightly, adding a bright cap to one of the gains, biasing each stage to sound like how you want via cathode resistor and cathode bypass cap combinations, and playing with the value of the first two coupling caps. Anything goes. All depends on what kind of sound you want.

And the classic "Jose" amp itself had other things like dual/switchable masters.

Taking it further, you can then play with the bright cap value; NFB circuit; presence cap values; depth cap values; slope resistor values; grid resistor values; PI cap and resistor values; power stage grid resistor values; power section for voltage changes; and so on. All of this stuff is outlined in great detail on many DIY forums and in many books on tube amp design.«IMG_8735.png
 
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Please, we need this high gain monster 🙏

I'm not fully understand all the technical descriptions here, but does it mean that we can mod a Marshall to sound very close to the Fortin with some of the tweaking options?
 
You should be able to approximate that with
A Splawn OD 2 is an 800 that a plate driven stack vs cathode I believe
Then play with the bright caps value
Add the saturation. Mod for the diode clipping

Should get you in the ballpark
 
As I understand it, Ceriatone - Gargoyle is a clone of Fortin Meshuggah.
The actual story behind the Gargoyle is that is a slightly tweaked clone of a Fortin Messhugah so not a like for like, that a guy on the amp forums called FourT6and2 built. Which in turn is based very closely to the Cameron Atomica, which in turn is a tweaked Jose Mod Marshall.

All these amps are 90% or more the same circuit. Doesn't mean they all sound almost identical though.

From building a Jose Mod myself and studying the amps in question and also going right through the entire trace and reverse engineering the amp on the SloClone Forum I can tell you with certainty that the closest amp in the Axe FX is the Cameron Atomica.

Tweaks you can make to the Atomica to sound closer to the Fortin with the values exposed is to reduce the negative feedback to at around the same value as the the 2204 JCM 800 model (around 1.5?) as they use the same values 100k 4ohm tap.
Change the depth frequency from 500Hz to around 200/250Hz.
Change the bright cap value to 4700pF.
Increase SAT to around 4.00 - 6.00

The issue you have with the Atomica is what would be Gain 1 on the Fortin is a trimmer or resister set to around 470k/500k mimicing having Gain 1 set to around 5/10. This we can't adjust on the Atomica Model.

Personally I'd be up for Fortin model, but the fact is those amps are hard to come by and at £5000 when you can get them or £6000 for second version (all black), plus the schematic needed, we might never see one.
However, there is no magic to these amps, a very bog standard 50 watt Jose Mod nothing more.
I think there was a schematic created on SloClone, the values were heavily discussed.
 
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The actual story behind the Gargoyle is that is a slightly tweaked clone of a Fortin Messhugah, that a guy on the amp forums called FourT6and2 built. Which in turn is based closly to the Cameron Atomica, which in turn is a tweaked Jose Mod Marshall.

All these amps are 90% the same circuit. Doesn't mean they all sound almost identical though.

From building a Jose Mod myself and studying the amps in question and also going right through the entire trace and reverse engineering the amp on the SloClone Forum I can tell you with certainty that the closest amp in the Axe FX is the Cameron Atomica.

Tweaks you can make to the Atomica to sound closer to the Fortin with the values exposed is to reduce the negative feedback to at around the same value as the the 2204 JCM 800 model as they use the same values 100k 4ohm tap.
Change the depth frequency from 500Hz to around 250Hz.
Change the bright cap switch to 4700pF.

The issue you have with the Atomica is what would be Gain 1 on the Fortin is a trimmer or resister set to around 470k/500k mimicing having Gain 1 set to around 5/10. This we can't adjust on the Atomica Model.

Hmmm - Interesting information.
 
Hmmm - Interesting information.
If you search in Google for something like "Fortin Meshuggah Ceriatone Gargoyle FourT6and2" all the info will be in the results with reciepts and proof.

There is also a 24 page forum post on SloClone discussing the amp with FourT6and2 opening and tracing his Fortin before he built his version tweaked to his preference that the Gargoyle came from.

Even proof of the guy in question communicating and helping Nik from Ceriatone understand the circuit which became the Gargoyle.

Also the famous video of a Scottish influencer claiming he got together which Nik to create almost a "signature" model with the Gargoyle, which was totally debunked as pure fantasy and lies lol.
 
If you search in Google for something like "Fortin Meshuggah Ceriatone Gargoyle FourT6and2" all the info will be in the results with reciepts and proof.

There is also a 24 page forum post on SloClone discussing the amp with FourT6and2 opening and tracing his Fortin before he built his version tweaked to his preference that the Gargoyle came from.

Even proof of the guy in question communicating and helping Nik from Ceriatone understand the circuit which became the Gargoyle.

Also the famous video of a Scottish influencer claiming he got together which Nik to create almost a "signature" model with the Gargoyle, which was totally debunked as pure fantasy and lies lol.

Maybe it makes sense to ask FourT6and2 for the original Fortin circuit?
 
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