FM3 Firmware Version 10.0 public beta

[BROCKSTAR]

So my non-turbo is no obsolete? Useable of course, but no longer feasibly upgradeable unless one wants to degrade settings

Why think of it as degrading? Even lower economy settings sound fantastic! This isn't just an issue on fm3, it happens to fm9 and axefx3 if we use higher settings on certain parameters etc.

 

[SpudMan]

I’m sorry but I tired of those posts about « blabla it’s obsolete »
I had to say it sorry.

Obsolete in what way exactly ??? Can’t you play guitar anymore?

I’ve not upgraded yet my « obsolete non turbo fm3 » and I’m asking myself if I really need to do it because in more than 20 years of doing gigs and tour professionally that’s the best and consistent tones I’ve heard of my guitar rig through foh (and I’m not talking about some pub gigs foh).

Fractal team makes wonderful works and efforts in bringing the latests firmwares releases in their older units!
Just reinstall the first firmware of the fm3 and this one or the 9 and tell me they wanted to make it obsolete.

Some of you are complaining because their 15 years old 1080p tv can’t do hdr and 4K!

Sorry for the grunt but come on, if you want more buy an axe3 or a fm9

You may be tired of the posts. Maybe a better way to say it is the non-turbo is at the end of its life cycle in terms of a desireable purchase. Of course it can be used for many, many years to come, but from a product life cycle perspective, if it can't take advantage of the newer features, it is at the end of its life cycle.

And since the non-turbo is no longer being sold, this seems to support the end of lifecycle argument. Again, not saying the non-turbo is not good, just that it is no longer feasibly able to take full advantage of the new firmware updates.

In fact, looking at the Fractal shop website, even the AXE isn't offered non-turbo anymore.

 

[Intimo]

Fantastic Update!
Non-Turbo unit here.
With Matt's suggestions on economizing the reverb (using medium chamber echo density at 5 / economy quality), I'm coming in at 77.8% with my hungriest scene in my main live preset.
This little box has never sounded better!!
Thanks FAS!

 

[SpudMan]

Why think of it as degrading? Even lower economy settings sound fantastic! This isn't just an issue on fm3, it happens to fm9 and axefx3 if we use higher settings on certain parameters etc.

Because you have to lower the desired parameters.

 

[Chromatizm]

My hobby is to create unnecessary complicated presets with complex routing and pushing the unit to 80+% limit almost always, "because I can".
I checked about 50 presets by now, only one was over the limit - solved by decreasing Reverb voices from 8 to 4.
Everything sounds glorious and makes me forget I have father and home duties.

 

[unix-guy]

So basically you can lower the value of the preset to use the new firmware? Again, this sounds to me like the newer firmware is making the non-turbo FM3 not upgradeable. So still useable, but not able to take advantage of the newer capabilities. Put another way, it is an obsolete product.

So my non-turbo is no obsolete? Useable of course, but no longer feasibly upgradeable unless one wants to degrade settings

Not progress for everyone, only those who have turbo.

But not the non-turbo FM3. It seem to be at its life cycle end.

You may be tired of the posts. Maybe a better way to say it is the non-turbo is at the end of its life cycle in terms of a desireable purchase. Of course it can be used for many, many years to come, but from a product life cycle perspective, if it can't take advantage of the newer features, it is at the end of its life cycle.

You can't purchase one new in case...

Because you have to lower the desired parameters.

No...

You might have to alter your approach to presets.

 

[unix-guy]

updated from 9.01 to 10.0 Beta, i'm not complaining in any case =)


The exact settings from memory while I was experimenting was high or max Pitch shift feedback settings Rev-Fw direction and the Matrix setting


I still have it on video, can post if needed

Got it. Thanks!

I'm also wondering what possibly lowered CPU in some cases. Good news regardless

 

[SpudMan]

You can't purchase one new in case...


No...

You might have to alter your approach to presets.

You can't purchase one new in case...


No...

You might have to alter your approach to presets.

All non-turbo Fractal units are end of lifecycle as they are no longer sold. Of course they are useasble, just not feasibly upgradeable. Apple would just say new software is not supported on your unit. Again, not saying the non-turbo isn't a good product.

 

[sol]

All non-turbo Fractal units are end of lifecycle as they are no longer sold. Of course they are useasble, just not feasibly upgradeable. Apple would just say new software is not supported on your unit. Again, not saying the non-turbo isn't a good product.

I have a non-turbo and the turbo FM3. CPU wise there is hardly 7-8% difference, you can maybe just notch the reverb quality up in some cases or maybe add one extra EQ block. The presets which max out on my FM3 non-turbo also max out on my FM3 Turbo.

 

[Joshua_L]

All non-turbo Fractal units are end of lifecycle as they are no longer sold. Of course they are useasble, just not feasibly upgradeable. Apple would just say new software is not supported on your unit. Again, not saying the non-turbo isn't a good product.

So why do you say obsolete?
Obsolete would mean fw10 could just no be installed on the non turbo.
Which is not the case at all. The only thing you can’t have is some percentage of certains parameters of reverbs and things like that.

 

[unix-guy]

Of course they are useasble, just not feasibly upgradeable. Apple would just say new software is not supported on your unit. Again, not saying the non-turbo isn't a good product.

Sorry, but this is incorrect.

They are able to take the same updates and are still supported by Fractal.

 

[SpudMan]

So why do you say obsolete?
Obsolete would mean fw10 could just no be installed on the non turbo.
Which is not the case at all. The only thing you can’t have is some percentage of certains parameters of reverbs and things like that.

As I said above, end of saleable life cycle is more correct. Sorry for that. I think that Fractal should release a non-turbo and turbo version of the firmware updates if what you say is the case. Otherwise it just means non-turbo users have to do a lot of work after upgrading due to the lesser processing power.

 

[SpudMan]

I have a non-turbo and the turbo FM3. CPU wise there is hardly 7-8% difference, you can maybe just notch the reverb quality up in some cases or maybe add one extra EQ block. The presets which max out on my FM3 non-turbo also max out on my FM3 Turbo.

Good to know, thanks.

 

[unix-guy]

Good to know, thanks.

So all this complaining and you haven't even tried the update?

Wow... SMH

 

[SpudMan]

Sorry, but this is incorrect.

They are able to take the same updates and are still supported by Fractal.

Sure Fractal hasn't prevented the update ability on non-turbo, but if the unit lacks processing power needed to take full advanatage of the new firmware, and in some cases requires lots of tweaking of existing presets, than I still think it means the firmware update is not really recommended. But to be fair, Fractal does warn us that it will have potentially adverse effects. I just think it should be maybe more strongly worded.

 

[SpudMan]

So all this complaining and you haven't even tried the update?

Wow... SMH

I am reading this thread. As you say RTFM, well I am RTthread to mitigate the risk of updating. This seems logical to me. Why update and go through problems if I can read the experience of others and avoid the hassle.

What does SMH mean?

 

[unix-guy]

Sure Fractal hasn't prevented the update ability on non-turbo, but if the unit lacks processing power needed to take full advanatage of the new firmware, and in some cases requires lots of tweaking of existing presets, than I still think it means the firmware update is not really recommended. But to be fair, Fractal does warn us that it will have potentially adverse effects. I just think it should be maybe more strongly worded.

Again, that comes down to your presets.

They've updated all the factory presets, so your statements make no sense.

 

[SpudMan]

Again, that comes down to your presets.

They've updated all the factory presets, so your statements make no sense.

Not talkling about the Factory Presets. I am referring to comments on the impact on user created presets.

I am not dense in understanding you completely disagree with me. No problem, I respect your input, I just see things differently.

 

[unix-guy]

I am reading this thread. As you say RTFM, well I am RTthread to mitigate the risk of updating. This seems logical to me. Why update and go through problems if I can read the experience of others and avoid the hassle.

What does SMH mean?

It's good to be prepared.

It's not good to make 20 posts declaring that the sky is falling without doing anything but reading this thread.

Also, if you've read up to this point you've inevitably seen several posts from people saying their CPU use dropped by 4-5%.

Why didn't you quote any of those and say "wow! The support life for my non-Turbo FM3 just got extended!"?

 

[unix-guy]

Not talkling about the Factory Presets. I am referring to comments on the impact on user created presets.

I am not dense in understanding you completely disagree with me. No problem, I respect your input, I just see things differently.

You are saying the unit is obsolete because it can't be "feasibly updated".
The factory presets prove that is absolutely untrue.

User created presets are often not CPU optimized or push limits because .. Humans...

You're right about one thing: I completely disagree.

In any case, I'm done arguing.

The answers for the problem you haven't even experienced are already provided.