Freedman DynaCab sounds to scooped

bansta said:
The Freedman DynaCab sounds somehow "different" to me: too scooped, with a lot of not-so-pleasant higher frequencies, no matter what amp I use it with. Perhaps some of you have developed a kind of 'best practice' in the use of the cab? Mic combination? Position(s)?
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My first thought was "scooped" can also a byproduct of EQing at a low volume then listening to the result at a loud volume. Our brain doesn't like that.

You didn't tell us what parameters you tried adjusting. Did you move the mics away from the cap, the default setting for the Dyna-Cabs? Skip the rest of this paragraph if you understand them… At Position 0 the mic is on-axis to the cap and very bright. Move the mic toward the edge and the highs aren't as dominant. Similarly, if Distance is 0 the lows are dominant because of the proximity effect of the microphone; Move the mic away from the speaker and the lows are reduced and we get a bit more ambiance from the room in the sound.

The way I look at using cabs is the same way I would if I was using analog amps and cabs. If I had an amp that I liked, and I'd twiddled the knobs and still didn't like the sound coming from the cab, I'd look into different cabs, or different speakers.

With the modelers we're not stuck with a specific manufacturer's choices for their speakers or design decisions. We can experiment all day long because it's not costing us anything to adjust things. Nor is anyone in the audience going to criticize because we chose one thing or another.
 
Stratoblaster said:
Try a different Speaker Impedance Curve in the AMP block...even ones that you'd not expect to work with that cab.
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+1 on this. Don’t worry about the curve “matching,” as there is no magic for doing so. Speaker impedance curve is a great way to change the speaker/cab character.

Another thing I like doing that brings out the midrange in a different way is increasing the Cab Resonance. I have mine at 116% currently.
 
giantslayer said:
Don’t worry about the curve “matching,” as there is no magic for doing so. Speaker impedance curve is a great way to change the speaker/cab character.
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I did that to match an Eminence speaker that was designed to imitate a Greenback. I picked a Dyna-Cab speaker from a matching cabinet that used an Eminence and a Greenback SIC and the resulting sound matched really well.

giantslayer said:
Another thing I like doing that brings out the midrange in a different way is increasing the Cab Resonance.
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Or adding the 1x8 5F1 Tweed cabinet. That's a common trick.
 
giantslayer said:
+1 on this. Don’t worry about the curve “matching,” as there is no magic for doing so. Speaker impedance curve is a great way to change the speaker/cab character.

Another thing I like doing that brings out the midrange in a different way is increasing the Cab Resonance. I have mine at 116% currently.
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You can really change the character and feel of a cab via the SIC.

I've currently settled on the 4x12 Rumble EV12L Dynacab, using a single ribbon mic and with the SIC #66 4x12 Brit TV for all presets, amps and tones (clean, bluesy, rock, high-ish gain, etc.).

I've found that cab is suited for all types of tones/amps, and with the ribbon in the right spot it gets a full bodied fundamental-rich tone with a forward mid that I like.

The SIC works for my various amps/tones (Deluxe Vibe Verb, AC-15, Dizzy Blue channels) to kind of balance them all out.

It works particularly well for tubby amps when the SIC curve has big, broad peaks from ~65Hz -> ~100Hz, and has nice crunchy mids and an inoffensive high end.
 
Stratoblaster said:
You can really change the character and feel of a cab via the SIC.

I've currently settled on the 4x12 Rumble EV12L Dynacab, using a single ribbon mic and with the SIC #66 4x12 Brit TV for all presets, amps and tones (clean, bluesy, rock, high-ish gain, etc.).

I've found that cab is suited for all types of tones/amps, and with the ribbon in the right spot it gets a full bodied fundamental-rich tone with a forward mid that I like.

The SIC works for my various amps/tones (Deluxe Vibe Verb, AC-15, Dizzy Blue channels) to kind of balance them all out.

It works particularly well for tubby amps when the SIC curve has big, broad peaks from ~65Hz -> ~100Hz, and has nice crunchy mids and an inoffensive high end.
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Example preset?
Sounds interesting.
 
Stratoblaster said:
Try a different Speaker Impedance Curve in the AMP block...even ones that you'd not expect to work with that cab.
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I agree. Try them all until you find the best one to your ears. I like a single 12” curve into a 412 IR on some amps. Still sounds like a 412 but perhaps more clarity and focus.
 
I've noticed on videos of people demoing Friedman amps and cabs (This one comes to mind: ) that the bass is cranked up. It doesn't make sense when using the amp with most cabs, but with the Friedman cabs that accentuate the highs maybe this works better.

But ultiamtely don't get too hung up on having to use the matching amp/cab pair if you don't like the sound. Lots of people love the Friedman heads, but not as many people rave about their cabs and I suspect plenty use them with Marshall or Mesa cabs instead.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Example preset?
Sounds interesting.
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Sure, here is my current work in progress preset with a brand new HSH guitar that is roughed-in for a gig this weekend. I expect to have to tweak lows/highs/gains/levels at the gig a bit as my basement where my monitors are has a big resonance at ~75Hz and ~165Hz, so I can only rough in things and refine with the band, etc.

My new guitar has a super-hot bridge humbucker (which I'm likely to change to a slightly hotter-PAF) and a vintage neck pickup, and Scenes 1, 2, 8 are tuned for the neck pickup, Scenes 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are for the hot bridge.

The Dumble Dynacab A channel is my main IR; channel B is slightly tweaked for less lows and a bit more highs. Channels C&D are experiments...
 

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If a dynacab sounds too scooped I usually switch mics and move the mic around.....;)

The Friedmans are my favorites actually
 
Put me in “dont use it”. Also had serious deja vu with page one for some reason?

But yeah if its not working in the first few minutes, time to try something else.
 
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