FM3 Firmware Version 8.00 beta 1

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Not sure if this is a bug or not. I have AC line frequency set at 50hz in global settings. When I go into the Power Amp settings it is set at 60hz. Are they linked or independent of each other (ie the one in global setting physical, the one in power amp setting modelled).
 
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Madtone said:
Not sure if this is a bug or not. I have AC line frequency set at 50hz in global settings. When I go into the Power Amp settings it is set at 60hz. Are they linked or independent of each other (ie the one in global setting physical, the one in power amp setting modelled)
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Not linked.
 
Line 6 are quite good with updates. I can vouch for that, but Fractal have really surprised me in the short time I've had my FM3. A year ago I couldn't conceive of how such a small device could possibly replace my Helix floor, but now I don't even think about it because the FM3 is that good. I was happy with it before this update but now with the gapless stuff, you have to really say Fractal know how to keep their devices as the flagship of all modelers.

If it's half as good as Leon Todd's demo, I will be more than happy.

On a separate note regarding the community here versus the Line 6 community, it's much better here. You don't get the same condescending replies and defensive positions when asking questions or making observations, and I think the main reason it's better here, is that everyone is happy. They are happy with the quality that Fractal deliver across all of their devices. It's a breath of fresh air to be honest.
 
Possible Spill Over Issue (?)

Just got my OG FM3 earlier today [non-Turbo model] ..... wiped clean ... fully reset all sounding and working good.

One possible issue (?) I have noticed (?)

In the Global Menu I have Spill Over set to ALL but

(a) if I switch from a Pre-set which has Delay and Reverb Turned ON to
(b) a Pre-set that has the same identical Delay and Reverb Blocks but with them Turned OFF
(c) the Delay and Reverb does not Spill Over and just cuts off

Is this correct behaviour for the current FW 8 Beta 1 ?

Thanks,
Ben
 
From the manual (blocks-guide):

Bypass mode:

MUTE FX IN – When the block is bypassed, the inputs to the effect are muted, and the dry level is unaffected. This allows effect “tails” to ring. LEVEL and BALANCE (and even MIX) affect the dry even when the block is bypassed. Use this for time-based effects in series when you want spillover.
 
ben ifin said:
Possible Spill Over Issue (?)

Just got my OG FM3 earlier today [non-Turbo model] ..... wiped clean ... fully reset all sounding and working good.

One possible issue (?) I have noticed (?)

In the Global Menu I have Spill Over set to ALL but

(a) if I switch from a Pre-set which has Delay and Reverb Turned ON to
(b) a Pre-set that has the same identical Delay and Reverb Blocks but with them Turned OFF
(c) the Delay and Reverb does not Spill Over and just cuts off

Is this correct behaviour for the current FW 8 Beta 1 ?

Thanks,
Ben
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danwei said:
From the manual (blocks-guide):

Bypass mode:

MUTE FX IN – When the block is bypassed, the inputs to the effect are muted, and the dry level is unaffected. This allows effect “tails” to ring. LEVEL and BALANCE (and even MIX) affect the dry even when the block is bypassed. Use this for time-based effects in series when you want spillover.
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Many thanks danwei ... this fixed my issue ! :)

Ben
 
I am a cautious dude, I only have my FM3 as a rig (not that I have hugely demanding needs... I'm a hack who plays in a casual metal cover band for open mic nights when we can convince them to let us on-stage) so I have always waited for production releases. That's out the door, I simply couldn't wait and the early impressions were that it was a rather stable beta. Not only am I a hack but I have tin ears... but to my aging, tin ears this thing is just marvelous. I haven't gotten to explore a huge amount yet but just diddling with the 2203 High for a while was fantastic, for everything from a light crunch to what I imagine will become my new Megadeth rhythm and lead preset. You people at FAS just rock.
 
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After not having played my gear for almost two months (!), I decided to update the FM3 today.
Here are the process and my findings.

First, I took a note of the CPU usage of my main preset: 78,7%.

I wrote down the values of the following Amp block parameters: Power Tube Grid Bas, Supply Sag and Cathode Follower (all set to default). I did this for the Deluxe Verb and 195SLP amp models.

I exported the preset to disk.

I recorded simple audio snippets (no DI), using my Steinberger Spirit's not-so-pretty middle pup, fw 7. Soundcloud probably normalizes the audio.




I updated to fw 8 beta fw, installed the updated editor and refreshed its effects definitions.

With the new fw installed, I imported the aforementioned preset.

The preset's CPU usage is now 77.8%. That's a one percent point less, nice.

At this point I did NOT reset the Amp block in any way, and did NOT save it under the new fw, and did NOT not execute Upgrade All Presets in the Utility menu.

I checked the Amp block parameters, mentioned above. They are now different.
This indicates that the new fw does apply the new default values in the Amp block automatically upon loading an 'old' preset , not needing any kind of Amp block reset.

So, the release notes are somewhat confusing in this regard, because they mention a soft or hard reset requirement. @rglr

I recorded audio again, using the same preset, without resetting the Amp block or other changes. Soundcloud probably normalizes the audio.




I applied the three required system changes to enable gapless preset switching.
It took about 15 minutes to finish the "Upgrade All Presets" process (2-3 seconds per preset).
I tested gapless switching of presets, scenes and channels and it works perfectly.

I executed "Reset AMP Blocks" in Manage Presets in the editor to reset the amp block channels in the preset (except authentic controls).
And saved the preset.

These actions did not change the aforementioned Amp block parameters again, because they already had been defaulted, as described above.

N.B. The reset process defaulted a couple of parameters that I tweaked away from default: Speaker Drive, Speaker Thump and Output Compression. This is exactly as expected. I adjusted those to match the old settings.

Suggestions:
  1. Rename "Upgrade All Presets" in the Utility menu to a title that indicates its function more clearly. See post 374
  2. Make "Reset AMP Blocks" available in the main menu of the editor.
Possible bugs:
  1. The Startup Preset parameter is missing in the Setup dialog of FM3-Edit. @Michael Pickens
  2. The two Optical tremolos do not sound right to my ears. I don't have a III or FM9 here to compare.
Testing to be continued.
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Thank you!
Finally.
I had just decided not to worry about it and I’ve just continued to enjoy the update knowing that my ears don’t deceive me and just take what some rtfm mob says with a grain of salt but I have to admit it brought me some satisfaction to see someone actually take the time to confirm what I was saying and others were asking instead of just repeatedly trying to refer to prior statements and/or links to articles that collected said same prior statements that in this particular case were either patently false and/or misleading/confusing.

I myself had went and prepared some .wav files to accompany the .syx presets early yesterday and was gonna share them myself to show the differences in settings and tone (there is an appropriate time that Use Your Ears or Use Your Brain takes precedence over ‘RTFM y’all’ especially with a beta) between firmware 7 and beta 8 after ONLY doing the 15 minute Utilities>Upgrade All Presets.

Then I found I couldn’t just attach raw .wav files in the thread and I just wanted to get back to playing guitar.
Thankfully I did because the new amps and changes to existing amps are so inspiring and fun to play and I came up with some truly sick new material yesterday.

Anyways…
Thank you.
You sir are a gem 💎
 
yek said:
Rename "Upgrade All Presets" in the Utility menu to a title that indicates its function more clearly.
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I'm usually a stickler for naming but I'm gonna say "potayto, potahto" on this one.

At this point, the utility as it is currently named is probably referenced in enough places that changing it might cause actually cause extra confusion. What matter most I think, is that it is accurately referenced in the release notes, and that using it will make the installed presets be compatible to the greatest extent with the current firmware.

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The two Optical tremolos do not sound right to my ears. I don't have a III or FM9 here to compare.
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I checked this and they sound the same on Axe-Fx III and the FM3 -- like the optical trem units I know.
 
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Download went smooth, as did the install and refresh. Note: I did make a full backup prior to just in case per the guidance.

I have not seen any issues so far with playing for about an hour or so last night.

Gapless switching works really well. I also see where some of the downloads I had from Leon Todd (Ragdoll Live 6) that were performing right at the limit of 83-85% CPU are now in the 79-81% and work great. Before I was able to play them for a short bit before running out of CPU and now I have been able to play for over half hour now without any CPU issues.

Thanks again FAS Team and I look forward to the final 8.X release. Now to spend time trying out all the new stuff especially the new Amps and Drive Pedals.
 
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I checked this and they sound the same on Axe-Fx III and the FM3 -- like the optical trem units I know.
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In front of Amp/Cab, they're fine.

After Amp/Cab, they sound anemic, compared to the other Trem types, IMO. But maybe it's always been this way.
 
Hey, don´t know if anyone already tested or if is having the same issue as myself.

My Moog Expression pedal with this beta release is not working propertly, after several calibrations, when I engage the expresion the block turns on but the range of the wha wha is quite low when activated, don´t know if I am expressing well for your understanding.

Can someone check please ?

Thanks
 
Found a bug: After "Preset > Save a copy ..." (FM3 Edit), the FM3 screen is greyed out. (Greyed out = similar when you scroll through presets on the unit itself without entering one).
I need to manually change presets to "activate" the normal screen.
 
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