PRS Guitars Question

I love the 594 series, and when I wanted a P90 that sounded like a righteous old Gibson but played like a PRS, the 594 Soapbar Limited delivered. The look is undeniably right down that alley too. To me, the 594 is what I want a LP to be.

That thing is gorgeous. I might have to stay on the lookout for one.
 
While we’re on the topic of 594s and DGTs: do they roar like Les Pauls do?

I have played plenty of CU24s and Silver Skies, but never the others. They sound great at moderate gain levels from what I’ve heard and experienced in front of other players, but every LP I’ve ever played also crushed in high gain areas.

Can a McCarty do high gain? What about 80s thrash? And can a DGT do similar?
 
I love my DGT. It feels and sounds great. It’s not a Les Paul. I had a 594 as well, didn’t really care for it and also not a Les Paul.

Honestly, the closest I’ve come to feeling that LP vibe elsewhere is with Eastman guitars.
 
From that description, I would probably go with the SE 594 SC.
https://prsguitars.com/electrics/model/se_mccarty_594_singlecut_2023

They designed this guitar and pickups to be like an old Les Paul. The comparisons that I saw before I bought my 594 between the single cut and double cut showed that they pretty much sounded the same whether it was a single or double cut body. The pickups are wound with less winds to brighten them up and provide more detail in the sound of them. I liked the ones in mine but when switching between guitars at gigs there was too much of a volume drop when switching to this guitar for my taste. I swapped my pickups out for 57/08 pickups, which are my favorite PRS pickup and I have them in a number of my PRS guitars.

I am more than happy to try to answer any questions you may have on this list of PRS models. They are all a little bit different. Depending on what your budget is there may be something in their lineup that can get you where you want to go.
Thanks Jason, you and others have been so helpful. It is "funny" how many different opinions there are on the PRS SE 594, and how many great suggestions there are on other LP type guitars. I appreciate your help, and everyone else's. Unfortunately several of the guitars that look like great options are well above my budget. For me it comes down to parsing through the different opinions expressed here to decide between an Indonesian SE or the S2 series. The Core models are just well above my budget.
I guess in terms of questions the biggest one I have is which PRS models have pickups that most resemble the sound of a vintage LP, specifically a 70's LP.
 
While we’re on the topic of 594s and DGTs: do they roar like Les Pauls do?

I have played plenty of CU24s and Silver Skies, but never the others. They sound great at moderate gain levels from what I’ve heard and experienced in front of other players, but every LP I’ve ever played also crushed in high gain areas.

Can a McCarty do high gain? What about 80s thrash? And can a DGT do similar?
They should do it fine so long as you have the right signal chain. I’ll find my comparison clips today.
 
Look at the S2s. They're still expensive, but IMHO S2 is closer to Core than SE in quality with a price closer to SE than Core. The big difference between SE and Core is that the top carve is a bit sharper and less rounded...plus Korean electronics that (I believe) are the same in the S2 and SE. It's easy to swap out pickups if you're not happy...if you want to swap out the push/pull tone knobs, they're metric...so the guitar needs to be reamed to take imperial spec knobs. I had my tech do that on mine (because I've damaged guitars trying in the past...and didn't want to hurt this one).

IDK if it's a specific date range or just the way they are, but mine has a couple small chips in the finish and more wear on the back than my other guitars....all from nothing specific. It doesn't bother me, but it is wearing differently than I expected. The finish is really thin. I think mine is in the first year or two of them switching all the USA guitars to a nitro blend. It's very much shiny but not plastic-y like a lot of modern poly finishes....which is fine. Vintage guitars are not anything like the fake vintage matte finish a lot of people use....at least, none of the ones I've seen are like that.

FWIW....Gibson USA, despite claiming to use nitro, does at least a poly top coat. One of the shops near me damaged someone's guitar with their Plek machine. They bought him a new one to replace it (they sell Gibson Custom but not Gibson USA), and he's fine with it. But, they decided to try to relic the one they damaged instead of putting money into fixing it and then having to re-sell it at a discount, and they had a LOT of problems getting the top coat off so they could do the relic-ing without damaging it.

That's why they feel like that. I can't find the truth out of a bunch of people saying different things, but it seems like you're not allowed to use pure nitrocellulose in the US and basically everyone claiming to use nitro is using a blend...or the operation is small enough that OSHA/etc haven't noticed them. Or I've been lied to. Or it's just the aging/relicing. Or any combination. I really don't know the truth of it....but modern "nitro" finished guitars don't look the same as the vintage ones I've played either, even comparing an un-aged modern guitar to pristine closet classics.

ETA: whatever the finish actually is, the finish on my LP Standard doesn't bother me. I'm really not worried about it. The neck is neither bare nor sticky; it looks great; and it doesn't feel like plastic to me, at least not the way Epiphones, G&Ls, and cheaper Fenders/Squiers do. Maybe I'm just not that picky.
Thanks for the information, really great stuff. It helps to know your opinion on SE vs. S2 vs. Core. And your info on the finishes is very interesting. I just wish I hadn't been so young and foolish and still had my old Goldtop LP. But that ship sailed long ago. The follies of youth!
If I understand your last paragraph correctly you must have a recent LP with the shiny/plasticy looking finish, and that you are happy with it. Makes me go back to considering a Gibson LP 70's Standard. I was trying to keep this purchase closer to $1K but ....
Anyway, thanks for responding and for the very helpful insight. Much appreciated!
 
I hear you on the budget. Nothing wrong with having a budget and sticking to it. Yes some people have a ton of cash for guitars. Good for them. I think most people on the forum buy more average type guitars but you don’t see them in NGD posts.

I paid for my SE DGT gold top and going to wait for it. But you can buy the maple veneered top versions right now on reverb. I also considered the SE 594 and after reading up I was thinking I would need to swap pickups. Like @JasonE mentions above about the 85/15’s. So there’s another $200-400 on the guitar. The consensus on the SE version of the DGT pickups is that they are excellent. There’s some videos with guys playing both core and SE and it’s hard to hear a difference. It’s like a LP except it’s a 25” scale and double cut, plus the trem. Also has a volume for each pickup, but only 1 tone. So not really a LP. I used to want one really bad. Went to find one and brought home a PRS. That’s my only high dollar guitar. Haha my wife about had a heart attack.
I am starting to lean towards two guitars: one PRS, probably the SE DGT or S2 594, and a Gibson LP Standard. Just not sure which to get first, and which to get after a bit of a break to restock the budget.
 
The reason the majority of PRS bodies are double cutaways is ergonomics. They balance really well, they reduce the weight a little and the access to the upper neck is easier.

The overall sound is similar to a Les Paul if the pickups are based on humbuckers and the body is a mahogany with maple cap and the neck scale is 24.245. Over the years Gibson wandered through variations of the pickups and construction so there’s no one definitive “Les Paul” sound anymore, and as a result the various PRS fall into the same ballpark as long as the neck and pickups and construction are similar.

The DGT sounds an awful lot like a late 50s Les Paul because of the pickups and body wood, but with a bit more upper end clarity. Grissom and PRS talk about how they spent years fine tuning the sound adjusting the pickups but I think the final sound is still tied to the body and neck also. Those particular pickups are only available on that model; it’s a special combination that works really well. Grissom was very influenced by Duane Allman, and this guitar really comes close to that sound.

The SC245 is much closer to the typical Les Paul design and sound. I bought mine because I wanted a “Les Paul” with the PRS balance and neck profile, I wanted a good PAF sound, and I’m a sucker for bound necks. :) It has the 58/15 TM pickups which do a good job, good enough that I’m not inclined to replace them. The guitar has a bright sustained sound when unplugged, probably because it’s a stop tailpiece. The bridge pickup tends to feedback which I suspect is due to the springs so I’m going to switch to surgical tubing during the next string change.

All that is to say that PRS has a bunch of different guitar models that fit in the Gibson/Les Paul sound and they can all work depending on your concept of how a Les Paul sounds. I love the feel and consistency and quality of their work, the sound is easily as good as any of the Gibsons I used to have, and I am entertained by the quality of the wood they use for even the “average” core guitars.

Years ago I had several ES guitars, including an early 345 with PAFs, and wanted to find something with that softer sound, and got a good deal on a used PRS Special 22 Semi-hollow. It has the 58/15 MT pickups and is right up there with the DGT as a favorite. It’s much lighter but still gets the 335 sound, almost a Les Paul sound, but sounds very much like a Strat when I split the pickups.

I have two other PRS, a Studio with the two Narrowfield pickups and a Humbucker, and a 509. They’re more Strat-like, but again, they’re really a pleasure to play.

I haven’t had an urge to buy any more PRS. I’m actually thinning my herd, slowly, and will be selling my Fender Strat and a Strat-alike I built, both being replaced by the Xotic I mentioned elsewhere and the last three PRS I mentioned above.
Thanks Greg! Makes sense on the SC vs. doublecut. For me the SC is only the look, not sound. So probably it shouldn't be a deciding factor in my purchase.
I wish I could get a core DGT but that is just well above my price range. Sounds like the SE DGT should be one of the finalists for my next purchase, except that it isn't in stock anytime soon.
Your response makes me also consider a SE Hollowbody, not sure of the difference between the Standard and the II, but I have also an interest in an ES-335 guitar.
 
I'm not a Gibson expert but was looking for LP style. I have a Gibson which is great but my PRS S2 594 I love much more. It's certainly close enough for an LP I'd say. I looked at the SC 594 and much preferred the DC594. It just had more 'heft' to the tone to me and seems to resonate better in my comparisons. Unless you're totally stuck on a SC form factor don't ignore the DC. I just took my 594 outside yesterday for a little photo..speaking of.
Thanks, yes, I was mainly looking at SC for the look but Greg described well above why DC might be a better option.
 
I love the 594 series, and when I wanted a P90 that sounded like a righteous old Gibson but played like a PRS, the 594 Soapbar Limited delivered. The look is undeniably right down that alley too. To me, the 594 is what I want a LP to be.

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That is a beauty. My last guitar was a Warmoth build "Tele" with a Fralin P92 Neck pickup and a Fralin Tele bridge pickup. I like the P90 a lot.
 
I love my DGT. It feels and sounds great. It’s not a Les Paul. I had a 594 as well, didn’t really care for it and also not a Les Paul.

Honestly, the closest I’ve come to feeling that LP vibe elsewhere is with Eastman guitars.
My only issue with the Eastman is for $2.2K it shouldn't be a China made guitar, looks really nice though.
 
I just wanted to post a general response to everyone. I truly appreciate everyone's input. Clearly I am a bit confused and it would be much easier if I had a large budget. But what I want to say is what a credit it is to this forum that so many of you have taken the time to read my original post, and the various responses from others, weigh in with opinions and advice, and not one person has been hateful or sarcastic. That is truly appreciated, and it says a lot about the people on this forum, and speaks well for Fractal also.
Thanks!
 
One more quick LP question: any thoughts/opinions on the Gibson USA LP Deluxe? Looks interesting. For a LP I lean towards the Standard, but .....
 
Here's two 594's and a Custom 24 artist.



And here's 3 les pauls


So on the PRS clip, the last 3 clips sound warmer to me. I like them a lot.
On the LP, I really like the 2nd clip from the beginning. Which LP is that one?
 
So on the PRS clip, the last 3 clips sound warmer to me. I like them a lot.
On the LP, I really like the 2nd clip from the beginning. Which LP is that one?
I’ll have to check but I thiiink on the LP one clip 2 is the 96 standard with 498/490.
 
I can now highly recommend the Gibson Les Paul Greeny Standard at around $3100-$3200 new. Killer pickups! It ain't just the middle position playing with the volume knobs ... All pickup positions are most excellent! This is a keeper!

Beautiful guitar on top of it!
Best Less Paul sound wise I've ever owned. And I have core PRS DGT and 594 guitars to compare it to!

I love all 3 and could live with any as a primary guitar!
 
@Budda I think your LPs are more to my taste. It’s so interesting how the Custom 24 really has high-end shimmer, and the only big changes are scale length, the double cut, and the bridge style. I think the double cut is having the largest influence though.

@GLiDE BPM it’s so interesting you say that! Some of the initial reviews I’ve seen are not that impressed by the build, but every time they play, they sound amazing. Glad you got a keeper!
 
Your response makes me also consider a SE Hollowbody, not sure of the difference between the Standard and the II, but I have also an interest in an ES-335 guitar.
I haven't played the SE hollow body, but the reviews have been very positive, even saying it's pretty resistant to feedback. They've done different semi-hollow body guitars over the years, and, at least with the Special 22 semi-hollow, they seem to know how to do it well.

There are SE and S2 versions of them out there. I just made a quick check on Reverb and there's this one little cutie….
 
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