MIDI with voodoo labs control switcher

lancekeltner

lancekeltner

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Guys I’m trying to use a voodoo lab control switcher to interface with my RAR amp and the fractal 111 turbo.

I can’t seem to get the fractal and the voodoo page into to communicate.
The voodoo lab button works with the amp.
I just can’t get a midi block in the fractal to talk to the VL

Thoughts?
 
Hey Lance... Have you set the midi channel on the VL and are you using that channel in the Scene Midi block?

Are you using CC or PC?

Per the manual here, both are supported.

https://voodoolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CX-Manual-v2_20200730-1.pdf

I'd suggest using CC as the Fractal will by default send PCs when you change presets and you might get undesired effects.

See the section on "other midi controllers".

I don't have any experience with this switcher, although I did use the Ground Control (and GCP), Ground Link and GCX for many years.
 
unix-guy said:
Hey Lance... Have you set the midi channel on the VL and are you using that channel in the Scene Midi block?

Are you using CC or PC?

Per the manual here, both are supported.

https://voodoolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CX-Manual-v2_20200730-1.pdf

I'd suggest using CC as the Fractal will by default send PCs when you change presets and you might get undesired effects.

See the section on "other midi controllers".

I don't have any experience with this switcher, although I did use the Ground Control (and GCP), Ground Link and GCX for many years.
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Thank you!
 
Make sure you’re sending MIDI commands on the correct channel. Both the control switcher and the Axe can be configured to use one specific channel and need to be set the same or to the Omni channel to work.
 
OrganicZed said:
Make sure you’re sending MIDI commands on the correct channel. Both the control switcher and the Axe can be configured to use one specific channel and need to be set the same or to the Omni channel to work.
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Actually, they don't... The Scene Midi block specifies which channel to send the midi to.

As long as that is correctly set then it should work.

Also, the Control Switcher doesn't appear to support Omni mode.
 
unix-guy said:
Actually, they don't... The Scene Midi block specifies which channel to send the midi to.

As long as that is correctly set then it should work.

Also, the Control Switcher doesn't appear to support Omni mode.
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Well, that’s what I get for trying to answer from memory at half past 2 AM. Sorry for the misinformation.
 
OrganicZed said:
Well, that’s what I get for trying to answer from memory at half past 2 AM. Sorry for the misinformation.
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No worries... You get an A for effort! :)

Lance and I had a call this morning and tried a bunch of stuff.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to figure it out, which sucks because it should be pretty simple.
 
Yeah, that’s odd. I have one and have been using it successfully with a Fryette Sig:X and an FX8 for years now. Perhaps it is an issue with a faulty cable or something.
 
Any outcome on this? I’ve just got a secondhand VL switcher and it doesn’t seem to be receiving from the FM3.
 
633Tim said:
Any outcome on this? I’ve just got a secondhand VL switcher and it doesn’t seem to be receiving from the FM3.
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I believe Lance got things working after jumping on a call with Voodoo Lab...

Edit:

I went back to my messages and it sounds like they had to reset the VL (maybe more than once).
 
I have exactly the same issue with my FM9 and Mesa Badlander. First, I don't understand why this expensive fractal does not have a simple amp control in the unit. Even the old Gt1000 and the new Fender TMP have those integrated in the unit.

I tried everything; something simple does not work, I have the voodoo labs, and nothing makes this work.
 
afocasnte said:
I have exactly the same issue with my FM9 and Mesa Badlander. First, I don't understand why this expensive fractal does not have a simple amp control in the unit. Even the old Gt1000 and the new Fender TMP have those integrated in the unit.

I tried everything; something simple does not work, I have the voodoo labs, and nothing makes this work.
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Why can't you believe it? The product specifications are readily available...

As far as the issue that Lance was having, he worked it with Voodoo Labs. The vault was with the switcher, not the Fractal.

I believe they did a factory reset, although that had already been done.
 
633Tim said:
I’ve just finished doing just that and all good via the MIDI block. Thanks
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Let me know your solution for this ???
unix-guy said:
Why can't you believe it? The product specifications are readily available...

As far as the issue that Lance was having, he worked it with Voodoo Labs. The vault was with the switcher, not the Fractal.

I believe they did a factory reset, although that had already been done.
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I can't believe it because this is almost a 2000-dollar piece, with very expensive shipping and you just expect to see there an amp control relay, like the 10-year-old GT 1000 or my new Fender Tone master or many units out there, that SIMPLE. True, expectations are out there, but this is the same thing when you buy a car, and after a while, you realize something you like is missing. It took me more than a month to learn the terrible UI and APP and the controls in this unit, and by the time I was ready to test the amp control, I saw it was missing, and at that time I missed the windows to send it back, now I am stuck. So spent 200 more for a midi controller, which IS WORKING perfectly, but the FM9 of course give more trouble around the 1000 badly explained menus and documentation. So a simple task became more than 4 hours of my day trying to figure out this. And I am sure the problem is coming from fractal. Again, I hope this explain to you why I don't believe it.
 
I’ve had a couple VL control switchers and they are dodgy. I had one wig out onstage and start switching things opposite. The people at VL thought I was crazy but they sent me a new one. Haven’t really used it since but I wouldn’t trust those things again.
 
darkknight91 said:
I’ve had a couple VL control switchers and they are dodgy. I had one wig out onstage and start switching things opposite. The people at VL thought I was crazy but they sent me a new one. Haven’t really used it since but I wouldn’t trust those things again.
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I see, maybe that can be the case, but I just tested it in some other unit, and working. A weird thing happens now if I manually press the 1 button VDL and change my amp channels, and go to the fractal and change any preset, then it changes back to the clean channel but does not go back to the previous amp channel. This defeats al the purpose of the FM9 for me. I reset 1000 times the VDL, I programmed again, and nothing.
 
afocasnte said:
Let me know your solution for this ???

I can't believe it because this is almost a 2000-dollar piece, with very expensive shipping and you just expect to see there an amp control relay, like the 10-year-old GT 1000 or my new Fender Tone master or many units out there, that SIMPLE. True, expectations are out there, but this is the same thing when you buy a car, and after a while, you realize something you like is missing. It took me more than a month to learn the terrible UI and APP and the controls in this unit, and by the time I was ready to test the amp control, I saw it was missing, and at that time I missed the windows to send it back, now I am stuck. So spent 200 more for a midi controller, which IS WORKING perfectly, but the FM9 of course give more trouble around the 1000 badly explained menus and documentation. So a simple task became more than 4 hours of my day trying to figure out this. And I am sure the problem is coming from fractal. Again, I hope this explain to you why I don't believe it.
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If switching control is a critical feature for you, then either buy a MIDI switcher to get the job done or else don’t buy the Fractal in favor of a unit that has what you personally need. Helix has switching capabilities, but it’s worthless to me because it doesn’t play nicely with Mesa amps and ground loops happen.
 
Frodebro said:
If switching control is a critical feature for you, then either buy a MIDI switcher to get the job done or else don’t buy the Fractal in favor of a unit that has what you personally need. Helix has switching capabilities, but it’s worthless to me because it doesn’t play nicely with Mesa amps and ground loops happen.yes,
Frodebro said:
If switching control is a critical feature for you, then either buy a MIDI switcher to get the job done or else don’t buy the Fractal in favor of a unit that has what you personally need. Helix has switching capabilities, but it’s worthless to me because it doesn’t play nicely with Mesa amps and ground loops happen.
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Yes and that's what I am trying to explain. I bought the Voodoo Labs Control switcher, from this device manually I can switch my Mesa Badlander channlers, but I can't do it from the Fractal. I am using a PC with basic channel and that's what I only changed in the fractal menu.I see there is meny other options for MIDI in the fractal setup, the manual confusingly explain each topic, but not necesssary how to setup up correclty. I have been using the same amp in my gt1000 and the fender tone master pro, with the amp control and 1 cable only, and works like a charm ! I use the fm9 as a 4 CM in my Mesa, and switching to the red channel in my MESA is essential. I want to mix that in the presets and scenes.
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