Axe-Fx Firmware Version 21.00 Release Candidate (Beta 7)

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Should we do a pool to see how many folks would love to keep herbie/vh4 models as they were in the last official fw ? if the numbers will be decent, maybe Cliff would consider making those as FAS models or something like in a veins of recto thordendal. What do you guys think ? hit the like if you agree and I will create a separate thread for that.
I‘m not into Diezels, I could never bond with them when I played the real amps but maybe Cliff would like to do a FAS Version.
 
Slate SSD5 for the drums, Submission Audio eurobass for bass, double tracked guitars and I slapped Izotope Ozone on the master bus and let it auto generate a mastering chain. I'm due to do a video on how I do quick demo tracks.
Cool! Do you use a multi out with SSD5 and process the drums more, or just the stock settings? Which kit too?
 
I may have found another bug. I have the otter quad external switches that I have been using for a couple months, one set up for tap tempo. At my gig tonight I noticed that my sound mutes every time I step on the tap tempo, until I let it go back up. On a break, I set up another tap tempo on the fc-12, and it does not mute the output. Anyone else?
 
Why are there always people that feel compelled to take up arms every time someone merely suggests that it seems there might be something that needs to be looked into, or even that there might be some info that us end users haven't been given yet that will account for undesirable results we're getting after something's been changed? Like... just let the beta testing process carry out and it'll all get sorted out one way or another; that's what public betas are for.
Cos we're guitar players. It's gonna take at least thirty more of us to screw in a light bulb
 
We're literally in the most recent FW update/beta thread out of a series of numerous update/beta threads that include numerous instances of amps having things adjusted and readjusted to perfect and correct issues that existed in previous iterations of the amp models.

Why are there always people that feel compelled to take up arms every time someone merely suggests that it seems there might be something that needs to be looked into, or even that there might be some info that us end users haven't been given yet that will account for undesirable results we're getting after something's been changed? Like... just let the beta testing process carry out and it'll all get sorted out one way or another; that's what public betas are for.
I responded to a suggestion that maybe FAS' amp needs some work which could be the reason for the 'issues' people are reporting. Given what I read, this suggestion borders on absurd. How you interpreted that comment to mean that I'm '(taking) up arms' is beyond me.

I never said there isn't something amiss with the amp model, nor did I say that we shouldn't point out issues we're experiencing with an amp in a new FW version. As you alluded to, that's what betas are for.

With all of the comments about the Herbert, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Cliff came back and said he discovered a decimal point in the wrong place. It also wouldn't surprise me if he has checked it and found no issues with the model. He did say "it sounds like the amp now" earlier in the thread.
 
With all of the comments about the Herbert, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Cliff came back and said he discovered a decimal point in the wrong place. It also wouldn't surprise me if he has checked it and found no issues with the model. He did say "it sounds like the amp now" earlier in the thread.
Some of us need to get new friends... or maybee make a lowcut in inputEQ from 90 to 415hz and turn level up :-)
 
I think it’s totally reasonable to question if the reference amp is in need of service. There’s nothing to say an amp tech can’t make a mistake, a single component can’t get worn out or fail in a non obvious way, or that this particular amp was made with a bad part in the first place and missed QC; there are many possibilities. And if a particular Diezel is not an amp Cliff bonds with, he might not realize there’s a problem.

If so many people wrote that the real thing is different than the model, and Cliff writes that the model is dead on, it’s totally reasonable to assume everyone has a different point of reference. And maybe it is the difference between the versions of the real world amp, as some have guessed.

I also think another problem is a lack of recordings en mass demonstrating what people are perceiving; although some have had the chance to post this type of recording, more of them would help immensely. Not everyone has the time to do this, but for those who do, it would be invaluable to record the real amp back to back with the model, with the sound dialed in by ear to be as close as possible with BMT/Presence, and Depth, into the same IR. Perhaps that would make plain to Cliff that there is a definite discrepancy, that even if the model perfectly mimics the source amp, maybe that source amp is the real problem.

And of course, it could just be an error with the model. Perceiving a model to be dead on is based on context. Maybe for the owners of the real deal not only to provide audio examples of the discrepancy would help, but also to upload the dry input recording of the guitar signal, so that Cliff could run those into his real amp and see if, in the context of those guitars, it just sounds broken. From my experience, every guitar and every player is going to exploit a different set of sounds from the same amp; the source is everything, and maybe there are contexts that demonstrate problems where particular scientific measurements do not.

This is a beta, so the whole point is find problems. We ought all encourage that rather than blindly rallying behind the flag just because we love Fractal. When we all try to figure out where there’s a potential issue, everyone using this unit benefits. There’s no need for the act of posting that a problem exists to be controversial.
 
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Here's a sample of herbie ch 3, gain from 2, 5, 7.5, 10

It's broken, like the JVM was a few updates ago.

Dunno what the controversy and the need for long posts is. It could be quantitively accurate, but it's qualitatively fucked up :D

https://whyp.it/tracks/52485/herbie3?token=1ON5t
Speaking from ignorance (don’t own/never played the real thing), this sample sounds f*cking awesome. Immediately imagined that in a mix, conjured MESHUGGAH vibes. But for owners of the hardware version, obvi you’d know if it doesn’t jive.
 
Here's a sample of herbie ch 3, gain from 2, 5, 7.5, 10

It's broken, like the JVM was a few updates ago.

Dunno what the controversy and the need for long posts is. It could be quantitively accurate, but it's qualitatively fucked up :D

https://whyp.it/tracks/52485/herbie3?token=1ON5t
this is not how real amp’s gain structure is, not at all. diezels are not fuzz generators.

real sound is like this :






 
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Speaking from ignorance (don’t own/never played the real thing), this sample sounds f*cking awesome. Immediately imagined that in a mix, conjured MESHUGGAH vibes. But for owners of the hardware version, obvi you’d know if it doesn’t jive.
It's probably just a wrong taper on the gain pot.

Either way, the low end on this update is sick as hell. My fingers are gonna fall off playing :D
 
Something happens with USA Pre LD2 Yellow. Gets more fuzzy, less tight. Upgraded from Beta 4 to Beta 7.
Tried downgrade to 20.x version - all just fine
On beta 4 seems ok too.
There were no changes to that model from Beta 4 to Beta 7.
 
this is not how real amp’s gain structure is, not at all. diezels are not fuzz generators.

real sound is like this :


I don’t hear “fuzz” (like fuzz pedal “fuzz”) in the sample. I hear a harmonic complexity and a killer tone. BUT … I don’t own the real thing, so I have zero input regarding A/B comparison. I do like this sample though!
 
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