Let's say we do all believe in "golden ears" The facts are that almost everyone here has spent way to many hours in front of loud amps, speakers, and headphones to have them anymore. And even if we had not spent all that time in front of loud amps, speakers and headphones, mabe 1 in a hundred million people could hear the difference between 5ft audio cables let alone a power cable. Think about this fact.. most "seasoned" audio engineers cannot even hear frequencies above 16000 Hz anymore and most of us over 45 musicians are permanently hearing something over 5000hz. Rainbow colored kool aid tastes nice if you can afford it but most people just see a naked king.Audiophiles are often obnoxious geeks who love hyperbole, that doesn’t mean they aren’t hearing some actual difference between things.
It actually does mean their hearing-based measurements are super suspect. As are all human hearing-based measurements. Super flawed measurement device.Audiophiles are often obnoxious geeks who love hyperbole, that doesn’t mean they aren’t hearing some actual difference between things.
Yes, and we all make cost benefit analysis comparisons everyday, some on the fly, some after gathering info. I heard enough of a difference with the AC cable that I asked my engineer, he was also surprised he could hear a difference and agreed it improved the sound of the amp. The cable did not cost very much, so worth the $.Hearing a difference and objectively measuring a difference are two very different things.
Let's say we do all believe in "golden ears" The facts are that almost everyone here has spent way to many hours in front of loud amps, speakers, and headphones to have them anymore. And even if we had not spent all that time in front of loud amps, speakers and headphones, mabe 1 in a hundred million people could hear the difference between 5ft audio cables let alone a power cable. Think about this fact.. most "seasoned" audio engineers cannot even hear frequencies above 16000 Hz anymore and most of us over 45 musicians are permanently hearing something over 5000hz. Rainbow colored kool aid tastes nice if you can afford it but most people just see a naked king.
No, he went and got a bunch of free stuff from a more expensive company by using the name of the producer we work with.Did the engineer buy one for himself?
Even IF that had any actual measurable effect on audio cables, a power cable is NOT an audio cable. AC power is immediately rectified and smoothed to DC for use in an amplifier. A coat hanger can pass 50 or 60 Hz AC without issue up to a certain current threshold.
We don't actually have anything to worry about with video either, unless you buy cables that lie to you.This is a fair point. For high data rates (such as you get with 4K video) and long runs, capacitance becomes a real concern as it makes for a pretty severe LPF over the length of the run that can destroy the clear peaks and valleys on the signal.
We don't really have to worry too much about that with audio and data to and from the Fractal gear.
I’m so glad I can’t hear electrons moving at nearly the speed of light in a wire. They’d be so screechy, probably like high-speed fingernails on a chalkboard.
It’s not magic just a basic improvement. I heard it and so did my engineer, who is booked all the time and doesn’t need my money bad enough to ‘yes’ me.
Here’s a review which details the company’s resources and determination to achieve measurable performance improvements:
http://stereotimes.com/cables091001.shtml
I didn’t spend $200, I have the cheaper one, and I’m aware of the marketing angle. They have a patent on their hollow oval wire design, I can hear a difference and the principles outlined in the patent make sense to me. Dig it or not:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6005193A/en?oq=U.S.+Pat.+No.+6,005,193+
Did the engineer buy one for
We don't actually have anything to worry about with video either, unless you buy cables that lie to you.
The people who decide on the spec for the transmission protocol (e.g., HDMI v2.1) describe what is being transmitted at what time intervals on what pins with what voltages and how to both transmit and receive them, plus the electrical properties that the cable (as well as any active extenders or converters) needs to have in order to work, which includes a maximum length.
If it's in spec, either it works or it's broken. If it's not in spec, it may or may not work regardless of whether it's broken. That's literally it. The same thing is true for all digital cables.
You might find this interesting:
That did not include any measurements. If they didn't post measurements, it's only marketing.
So, first thing's first....if you honestly believe it sounds better and that inspires you...and you can afford it. Go for it. I have fancier speaker cables than I need because I think they're cool. There's nothing really wrong with that.
But...the patent might be funnier than the website.
They basically make 2 claims about how their design is better for high frequency electrical transmission: one about skin effect, the other about current bunching. The information they provide shows that skin effect won't affect AC power in this application, and they make no supported claims about Current Bunching affecting real world AC power, only high frequency transmission. It looks like they got the patent because the design was technically better in a way that even their own application doesn't claim will make a difference for the way the cable is actually being used. But, that's not what the patent claimed. It was granted for a "Cable for transmitting electrical impulses". And in some cases, assuming their information is correct, it would be better at that. Just not when it's used for 50-60Hz 120-220V AC.
It also expired 5 years ago and people aren't rushing to copy it.
It's really similar to the LPF effect of cables. All cables are Low-pass filters. The question is whether or not they interfere with the intended pass band of the signal. And that's math you can look up and do yourself....it's actually pretty simple if you can get the specs of the cables in question (or measure them). That's why the cable does matter between a passive guitar pickup and the first buffer....longer and higher-cap cables create a lower cutoff frequency for the LPF that can be audible. But...it doesn't matter for speaker cables or line-level cables because the important details are so different that the cutoff frequency is above the range of human hearing. It matters again for digital cables (USB, DMX, Ethernet, etc.), since they need a pass band into MHz or GHz, depending on the cable.
A power cable's pass band only has to go a bit above 60 Hz.
Thanks for all the info and civil tone, I understand the basic principles you mentioned. I have never been under the impression amplifier audio signal somehow travels through the AC cable. So my guess as to why the AP AC cable made the JCM800 sound better is that the AP hollow oval geometry cable may have provided slightly lower resistance along with plugs made of high conductivity material, and allowed the AC current to flow to the transformer and meet the demand of larger transients faster, allowing the transformer to work better. Large transients, meaning palm mutes and hard strums through a high gain amp, with the improved efficiency of the current transfer from wall to transformer resulting in more dynamics and slightly more frequency extension.
With audio signal transmission we are concerned with fidelity and frequency response, and with AC we are concerned with efficiency, right? So doesn’t it makes sense that any design which lowers resistance, as the hollow oval design claims, could benefit both audio and AC line transmission?
Maybe this will help a little.
It's a guess and one that's completely wrong. A short power cable, with adequate gauge such as the one the manufacturer shipped your amplifier with, in no way hinders or enhances the "AC current flow to the transformer" of the amplifier.So my guess as to why the AP AC cable made the JCM800 sound better is that the AP hollow oval geometry cable may have provided slightly lower resistance along with plugs made of high conductivity material, and allowed the AC current to flow to the transformer and meet the demand of larger transients faster, allowing the transformer to work better. Large transients, meaning palm mutes and hard strums through a high gain amp, with the improved efficiency of the current transfer from wall to transformer resulting in more dynamics and slightly more frequency extension.
The HDMI cable spec doesn't define a maximum length which is why working at the extremes of the spec is actually full of stuff that only kind of works.which includes a maximum length