Blind Test #1: Axe-Fx III vs. Real Amp

dumbeat said:
If you can't tell a difference between 2 different units, no matter what they are, 2 real amps or a modeler and an amp, it means something in the chain is obscuring whatever differences MUST be between any 2 things, so there you go with this "Comparison".
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That's not what it means at all. There are numerous blind tests involving the Kemper in which there is absolutely nothing 'obscuring' the signal chain, and I have no doubt you'd be just as stumped with those as you are these.

dumbeat said:
It is not valid for any statement of any real importance.
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Speaking of validity, I don't have a problem with blind tests based on YouTube videos, though it seems completely ironic that you apparently don't either.

dumbeat said:
As i suggested, make a comparison of a dynamic playing from hard to soft with a tone that is not a compressed to hell distortion with all clipped waves. You will hear much much more of a difference,
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The type of distortion (or "compression") you hear in the samples is common for the brand of amp that the samples are based on. Like I said, there's no external compression, nor is the distortion based on the conversion from WAV to MP3 or any type of compression algorithm. It's a product of the amp gain.
 
The stale air some here like to impose on a personal level, as if this was a personal topic at all, is not touching me as im staying on topic, You may go put out your frustrations on your partners if you have any,,,;)
 
Jason Scott said:
That's not what it means at all. There are numerous blind tests involving the Kemper in which there is absolutely nothing 'obscuring' the signal chain, and I have no doubt you'd be just as stumped with those as you are these.



Speaking of validity, I don't have a problem with blind tests based on YouTube videos, and it seems completely ironic that you apparently don't either.



The type of distortion (or "compression") you hear in the samples is common for the brand of amp that the samples are based on. Like I said, there's no external compression, nor is the distortion based on the conversion from WAV to MP3 or any type of compression algorithm. It's a product of the amp gain.
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Jason, i said it several times if you choose to ignore this point that's fine. If it has no Dynamic content its not worth s&^%t.
 
dumbeat said:
Jason, i said it several times if you choose to ignore this point that's fine. If it has no Dynamic content its not worth s&^%t.
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Well, if you really feel that way, why didn't you specify that when I originally offered to post this test in the other thread? I'm sorry, but the level of gain in the samples is nothing that should prevent anyone from hearing a non-trivial difference if there were one. Like I said, there are countless blind tests based on high gain amp models that are easily distinguishable from their real world counterparts.
 
Jason Scott said:
You'll either take the test the way everyone else takes them in general, using high quality MP3 samples, or you're basically admitting you can't tell the difference. Frankly, I kind of figured you'd find every excuse in the world not to answer because you honestly don't know. Like most people who can't admit they don't know, they can't just admit they don't know. They have to blame it on sample quality, signal chain or whatever.
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I easily admit I don’t know!
 
Jason Scott said:
Well, if you really feel that way, why didn't you specify that when I originally offered to post this test in the other thread? I'm sorry, but the level of gain in the samples is nothing that should prevent anyone from hearing a non-trivial difference if there were one. Like I said, there are countless blind tests based on high gain amp models that are easily distinguishable from their real world counterparts.
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Come on- 2 chords on a very high gain amp with a non dynamic playing style? thats how you want to make this point?
Lets be real.
Anyway- i posted my thoughts on which is which. Do you want to tell us what it was or not yet?
 
dumbeat said:
Come on- 2 chords on a very high gain amp with a non dynamic playing style? thats how you want to make this point?
Lets be real.
Anyway- i posted my thoughts on which is which. Do you want to tell us what it was or not yet?
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Do you have an Axe FX? Do you even play guitar bro?
 
Load boxes are not even close to neutral sounding. Might be better to send Axe output through to a real mic and cab. When I was in my 30’s I could hear a difference on 320kbps MP3’s. Use a lossless format like flac, wav, etc. On quality headphones a person who can still hear above 16khz can easily hear how bad mp3 is even at 320kbps. I love guitar but it is because of the guitar that I can’t hear above 14-15khz.
 
dumbeat said:
Come on- 2 chords on a very high gain amp with a non dynamic playing style? thats how you want to make this point?
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Again, if you had all of these requirements for what constitutes a valid test, the time to post them is before the time is spent putting one together, not after. But you conveniently wait until after you hear the samples to decide they don't meet your stringent requirements. Like I said, far more distorted (high gain) samples have never served as an impediment to others correctly identifying the modeler and real amp in other blind tests. Why it serves as one for you seems like a conspicuously convenient vehicle for dismissing the test out of hand because you simply and honestly don't know which is which.
 
Daveis said:
Load boxes are not even close to neutral sounding. Might be better to send Axe output through to a real mic and cab. When I was in my 30’s I could hear a difference on 320kbps MP3’s. Use a lossless format like flac, wav, etc. On quality headphones a person who can still hear above 16khz can easily hear how bad mp3 is even at 320kbps. I love guitar but it is because of the guitar that I can’t hear above 14-15khz.
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Despite load boxes not sounding neutral to your ears, do you want to hazard a guess as to which sample(s) are which?
 
jefferski said:
You seriously call that a "very high gain amp" ?
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Compared to a clean amp. don't get all picky, it certainly no blackface,,, It's a compressed fully distorted "clipped" signal playing 2 chords. If that's how you want to make judgments and feel they are fair more power to you.

At any event i made my call despite this Trap like comparison. No one in his right mind thinks these 2 chords are any indication.

Try the link ive posted earlier of different gain settings and a real guitarist playing more than 2 chords over a wide range of dynamics and you can easily pick which is which even though its blind, Check the link.
 
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