Wish Where are the transistors?

zerocrossing

zerocrossing

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Over my life I’ve owned a Marshall Valvestate and an Ampeg SS140-C. Both solid state amps, but with fantastic tones. Definitely not your traditional tube amp sounds, but great, IMO. Really good for metal type tones, or if you’re into ambient, very ”synthy” types of sounds when used with a volume pedal and sustainer of some sort. I’ve noticed that Fractal doesn’t model any of these. I think when I looked at the list, the Roland JC-120, which his also great in a different way, was the only one modeled.

Why? I love tube amps as much as anyone, but I feel like an entire type of amp just got the shaft as if it never happened and I’m not sure why. Who else would like to see at least a couple of those classic MOS-FET classics modeled? I’ve turned to Audiority’s plugins, which are great, but it would be so much nicer if they were just available in my AxeFX 3.
 
My personal advice as someone who went deep down that rabbit hole. (my favorite part was when the Ampeg I got from 89', I got to watch it catch on fire)

Stop thinking about this entirely. Play the 6505 models. Recto models. Skullcrusher model, etc. Can believe me or not but trust me, you ARE NOT missing something. The 6505 models do the sound you think the Ampeg does. Better.
 
Just to add my personal opinion: the Fractal devices are tube amp modelers.

Yes, we do have 1 solid state amp but I'd honestly be surprised if we get any others...
 
+1
But from the feedback I had about a thread on a real jazz sound, like Polytone or Henriksen SSamps, I strongly doubt that they will never implement any other ss amp beside the terrible Roland jazz-chorus.
Everybody here will tell you to use a valve amp, because they are 'better', and if you need another type of sound you have a problem.
Just imagine that a 'Wish' thread about it was blocked.
 
Yeah why not!?
If there are any great solid state amps, I’m all for them. +1
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zerocrossing said:
Over my life I’ve owned a Marshall Valvestate and an Ampeg SS140-C. Both solid state amps, but with fantastic tones. Definitely not your traditional tube amp sounds, but great, IMO. Really good for metal type tones, or if you’re into ambient, very ”synthy” types of sounds when used with a volume pedal and sustainer of some sort. I’ve noticed that Fractal doesn’t model any of these. I think when I looked at the list, the Roland JC-120, which his also great in a different way, was the only one modeled.

Why? I love tube amps as much as anyone, but I feel like an entire type of amp just got the shaft as if it never happened and I’m not sure why. Who else would like to see at least a couple of those classic MOS-FET classics modeled? I’ve turned to Audiority’s plugins, which are great, but it would be so much nicer if they were just available in my AxeFX 3.
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Yeah a few are sorely missing, Randall, Lab Series L5, Valvestate, and the SS140-c would be cool. I'm guessing the lack of these is due to something in the codebase setup for tubes not ss, purely a guess. Kind of the way the addition of the Klon took some tooling.
 
abendJazz said:
+1
But from the feedback I had about a thread on a real jazz sound, like Polytone or Henriksen SSamps, I strongly doubt that they will never implement any other ss amp beside the terrible Roland jazz-chorus.
Everybody here will tell you to use a valve amp, because they are 'better', and if you need another type of sound you have a problem.
Just imagine that a 'Wish' thread about it was blocked.
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Yeah, I read those threads and do not share your interpretation of what actually happened.

In any case, more valve amps would be great.
 
I personally find the “AxeFX is a tube amp modeler” remarks to be strange. It’s got an entire range of transistor based distortion box emulations, not to mention all the other effects.

Anyway, I was sort of thinking about that before I read the post about it being a tube amp modeler, and I spent some time using the much reviled JC-120 (who’s distortion is seriously terrible) with various transistor distortion boxes in front of it, and I was able to get some great results that were reminiscent of the transistor amps that I was searching for.

I still would like to see some of the old solid state amps modeled, but this is at least a partial work around.
 
zerocrossing said:
I personally find the “AxeFX is a tube amp modeler” remarks to be strange. It’s got an entire range of transistor based distortion box emulations, not to mention all the other effects.
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Why?

A transistor based distortion box is much less complex than a solid state amplifier, I think.

Most of the other effects are modeling the "effect" as opposed to the actual effect circuitry as far as I know.

Maybe I'm wrong?

Also, do note that I did say "in my opinion" :)
 
I'd wager it's one of those "most users don't care" categories. Let's say Fractal makes a new firmware that adds 5 new solid-state amps. There would be one portion saying "why didn't you add 5 bass amps instead?" and another saying "why didn't you add 5 new tube amps?"

I feel 99% of any amp requests are people with a "collector" mindset who want to have the comfort of having every amp known to man or whatever is currently hot on YouTube rather than spending the time to get their favorite sounds out of the 100 unique amps that already exist in the box.

That last 1% is suggesting amps that are unique enough and potentially popular enough to add something to the capabilities of the unit. Bass amps being a prime example considering how few there are.
 
laxu said:
I'd wager it's one of those "most users don't care" categories. Let's say Fractal makes a new firmware that adds 5 new solid-state amps. There would be one portion saying "why didn't you add 5 bass amps instead?" and another saying "why didn't you add 5 new tube amps?"

I feel 99% of any amp requests are people with a "collector" mindset who want to have the comfort of having every amp known to man or whatever is currently hot on YouTube rather than spending the time to get their favorite sounds out of the 100 unique amps that already exist in the box.

That last 1% is suggesting amps that are unique enough and potentially popular enough to add something to the capabilities of the unit. Bass amps being a prime example considering how few there are.
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The only real amps I have left now are solid state amps that the fractal can't do, definitely not tones most people would go for but in layering with more traditional "nice" stuff the weird harsh stuff can blend super well

Also a +1 on more bass amps
 
laxu said:
I'd wager it's one of those "most users don't care" categories. Let's say Fractal makes a new firmware that adds 5 new solid-state amps. There would be one portion saying "why didn't you add 5 bass amps instead?" and another saying "why didn't you add 5 new tube amps?"

I feel 99% of any amp requests are people with a "collector" mindset who want to have the comfort of having every amp known to man or whatever is currently hot on YouTube rather than spending the time to get their favorite sounds out of the 100 unique amps that already exist in the box.

That last 1% is suggesting amps that are unique enough and potentially popular enough to add something to the capabilities of the unit. Bass amps being a prime example considering how few there are.
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Specialized jazz amps are totally missing (...let alone Roland JazzChorus, the only jazz thing about it is the name).
I understand rock tones are way more popular among most users, cool with it, but there are sooo many marshall or fender amp variations modeled, often with such subtle differences, that adding a couple different type of sound may be inspiring for all.
Just my 2 cents.

+1 also for bass amps, they are used for jazz sometimes bc they sound better than rock oriented amps
 
laxu said:
I'd wager it's one of those "most users don't care" categories. Let's say Fractal makes a new firmware that adds 5 new solid-state amps. There would be one portion saying "why didn't you add 5 bass amps instead?" and another saying "why didn't you add 5 new tube amps?"

I feel 99% of any amp requests are people with a "collector" mindset who want to have the comfort of having every amp known to man or whatever is currently hot on YouTube rather than spending the time to get their favorite sounds out of the 100 unique amps that already exist in the box.

That last 1% is suggesting amps that are unique enough and potentially popular enough to add something to the capabilities of the unit. Bass amps being a prime example considering how few there are.
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The difference is that NO ONE has done the solid state amps very well like it should, nembrini is getting close to getting the mythical solid state amps modeled so we might just wait a couple of months, but the rest of the amplifiers you named in the last 1% that are unique, other modelers have already done them (like amplitube or tonex) and really well.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Has anyone ever made a stomp box that emulates any of the Gallien-Krueger guitar or bass heads?
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