[SOLVED] More than 4 SETLIST - No real need, see edit

[BobXX]

EDIT nov 17, 2023

For my requirements below I've found a more proper solution,
so now I consider SETLIST enough wide for its original purpose, no need for more SETLISTs !

I have discovered that if Program Map is activated, it works also internally in the Preset Switches Layout,
considering each Program Map position (Program Change command) as a "preset" for the internal preset switches,
mapping them freely with one real Preset/Scene couple.

For example:

PC - PRESET - SCENE

BANK 1
00 - 00 - 1
01 - 20 - 4
02 - 05 - 3
... ... ...
09 - 01 - 3
10 - 00 - 2

BANK 2
00 - 00 - 1
01 - 00 - 2
02 - 00 - 3
... ... ...
09 - 10 - 1
10 - 10 - 2

Adding to it the use of Banks (set of 10 presets each) it is possible to arrange things perfectly as wished below by groups of 10 preset each !
Not only, it meets also the need to switch Banks avoiding the automatic load of a new preset, until I decide it.

- I set the first left footswitch to increase Bank# (and Hold to decrease it)

- all the other buttons set for "Select In Bank" Sound #1 #2 #3 #4.... so they act IN the bank selected, until you change it

- last two buttons are additionally used to select Sound #9 and #10 holding them for a second
I set the Hold function to wait for the release (not automatic after set time passed).
Doing this I can decide exactly when to start the new sound by releasing the button in the exact moment desired

- Preset Load set to "none", on purpose doing nothing until you choose the preset in the new Bank,
this will avoid to have an undesired Preset loaded automatically while navigating the Banks.

So now FM9 works both with external MIDI foot controllers and internal switches managing them by groups of 10.
Inside each group, preset+scene can be mapped freely jumping as desired

Fantastic !

The only missing thing is a BIG display for the BANK selected, main display isn't useful while playing,
and the mini displays are at viewing limit from 2-3 meters.





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ORIGINAL POST:

SETLISTs saved my life with FM9, because they allow me to build a sort of "internal Program Mapping",
so to have 10 sounds available in a single foot hit.
Since I use 10 "groups" of 10 sounds I wish it will be possibile to have 10 setlists instead of 4,
or maybe we can get the same results with 10 sections instead of 6.

Since a maximum of 8 scenes are allowed per preset, I had to adopt some strategy in order to get that 10 1-hit sounds somehow with AXE FXIII Turbo and my new FM9 turbo.

For better understanding:

I always worked (>20 yrs) using rack systems controlled by foot controllers
that both arrange groups/banks by 10 sounds/"scenes" each,
regardless they have direct 10 buttons or 5 x 2 (see in photo 5 of them I'm using or built).



So, with the majestic power of AXE FXIII, I have rebuilt all my ~100 sounds in groups of 10,
trying to remain within the same preset.

I used often all 8 max scenes per preset allowed, and added the remaining 2 in a +10 number additional preset.
Everything arranged with Program Map accordingly:

PC PRESET SCENE

00 00 1
01 00 2
02 00 3
03 00 4
04 00 5
05 00 6
06 00 7
07 00 8
08 10 1
09 10 2

10 01 1
11 01 2
12 01 3
13 01 4
14 01 5
15 01 6
16 01 7
17 01 8
18 11 1
19 11 2

...

95 09 6
96 09 7
97 09 8
98 19 1
99 19 2

Now I'm building the "compact/backup" rig with FM9 turbo the same way,
and I'm willing to use it's own footswitches for the tiny stages, without any additional external foot controller.

I have tried different solutions and SETLISTS looks perfect:
they allow to associate freely the footswitches and program the "sounds" associations in my setlists,
like Program Map do for external foot controllers.



The flexibility of footswitches programming do the rest,
I use the HOLD function to recall sound n. 9 and 10 in each group (see last upper right buttons), a pretty good compromise with a compact rig.

NOTE: I'm using the display writing ":0:" ":1:" to show the SET number starting from "0" and not from "1".




Now I would simply be able to map all the remaining 40-99 sounds.

 

[unix-guy]

From previous requests and discussions, this isn't possible.

The reserved space for setlists is already fully consumed.

 

[BobXX]

From previous requests and discussions, this isn't possible.

The reserved space for setlists is already fully consumed

I see, and I can imagine they wouldn't halven setlists to double sections nor reducing songs to enlarge the setlists

A workaround could be to allow to save/load setlists on PC, so to load them for each gig.

The perfect solution is to allow a magic 10 scenes for each preset (I imagine more complicate for the editors, to be changed)

 

[Greg Ferguson]

Another solution could be to allow setlists to be saved and loaded, since in a single gig I'd rarely use more of 4 setlistsof them.

You can save both/either setlists or songlists. They'll export as .fas-setlist or .fas-songs filetypes, but they're actually XML files, which can be manipulated using your favorite XML-manipulating tool(s).


And, like @unix-guy said, the space that was available to Setlists and Songlists was used up for the current implementation.

 

[unix-guy]

The perfect solution is to allow a magic 10 scenes for each preset (I imagine more complicate for the editors, to be changed)

There have been wishes for more scenes pretty much since they were added 10+ years ago.

I don't expect that will change...

I doubt that has anything to do with editor changes.

 

[BobXX]

There have been wishes for more scenes pretty much since they were added 10+ years ago.

I don't expect that will change...

I doubt that has anything to do with editor changes.

I have found a solution combining more FM9 features that perfectly solved my needs (without using SETLISTs) !

Please see the Edit in my post.