Deluxe Tweed... if I turn Normal Vol up 100% it gets clean but 99% or less it's dirty?

mistermikev

mistermikev

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so focusing in on this amp and jacking around... seems strange that the last 1% or the normal gain will turn me clean? anyone else experience this? really turns most dirty at 9.41... from there up to 10 it gets progressively clean. performed a soft reset going to deluxe tweed jumped... and back to deluxe tweed and sm thing. come to think of it... why does my deluxe tweed have two gains that would normally be found on a jumped channel?

Upgraded to 16.5 and using axe edit 1.09. this is all on the authentic view of the amp. if it's normal behavior... ok... just seems odd I get a gain boost dialing backwards from 10 to 9.4 on what should be a single channel with a single gain control... but perhaps this was some wierd anomalie with the orig tweed twins that I am not privy to? if so please enlighten me.
 
It's because of the unique interaction between the two volume controls and the tone control on that circuit. Since the two volume pots are in parallel with the tone control sort of stuck between them, both volume controls can influence the tone and level a bit even when plugged into either channel. Not sure how much head scratching it took for Cliff to recreate that complex interaction in the model, but I bet it was not easy.
 
mistermikev said:
thank you for taking the time to straighten me out! I have played a few reissues but I guess I never played one long enough to notice this. V cool that axe fx commited to authenticity knowing full well a dumbass like me would come along an ask about it - haha!
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Fractal replicates the original amp, warts and all, which is better than trying to improve on the controls or circuit and call it the original.

They do have the "FAS *" models which are improved versions that fix bad designs.
 
mr_fender said:
It's because of the unique interaction between the two volume controls and the tone control on that circuit. Since the two volume pots are in parallel with the tone control sort of stuck between them, both volume controls can influence the tone and level a bit even when plugged into either channel. Not sure how much head scratching it took for Cliff to recreate that complex interaction in the model, but I bet it was not easy.
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thank you for the in depth analysis. now that I know it's supposed to work that way... it's pretty cool. lot of dif flavors in there.
Greg Ferguson said:
Fractal replicates the original amp, warts and all, which is better than trying to improve on the controls or circuit and call it the original.

They do have the "FAS *" models which are improved versions that fix bad designs.
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I'm guessing most of y'all probably new about this... capt obvious over here had no idea. I imagine if l6 had released something like this heads would explode on the forums! lol. perhaps even the l6 forums are more informed than me!!
 
mistermikev said:
I'm guessing most of y'all probably new about this
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It's mentioned here and there.

I imagine if l6 had released something like this heads would explode on the forums
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It's been my observation that Line 6 didn't cater to those who want accurate modeling; They tend to be the "plug it in and twiddle a knob" crowd, whereas Fractal appeals more to those who want to know how to tweak at lower levels. I had several Helix. "Had".
 
Greg Ferguson said:
It's mentioned here and there.


It's been my observation that Line 6 didn't cater to those who want accurate modeling; They tend to be the "plug it in and twiddle a knob" crowd, whereas Fractal appeals more to those who want to know how to tweak at lower levels. I had several Helix. "Had".
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Right, that was sort of what I was alluding too. any place I mention I have an axefx3 that isn't the gearpage or here... the first comment is that "I don't need all that deep control" or something to that effect. almost as if it's a negative that you get so much control. I think if you want to appeal more to the home user you almost have to simplify at the expense of authenticity. Honestly both make great products - not knocking them(L6) at all.
 
The "too many parameters" argument has never made any sense to me. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to mess with it. Probably 90+% of the time I only ever use the parameters that are present on the real amp or effect and never mess with any of the advanced parameters. On the rare occasion that I do need to fine tune something, it sure is nice having the option though.

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
 
mr_fender said:
The "too many parameters" argument has never made any sense to me. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to mess with it. Probably 90+% of the time I only ever use the parameters that are present on the real amp or effect and never mess with any of the advanced parameters. On the rare occasion that I do need to fine tune something, it sure is nice having the option though.

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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I couldn't agree more with your take. for the first year I probably only touched the authentic controls. it's actually quite a simple setup if you go no further than that.

then if you decide... you can venture out. I've only recently been playing with the ideal controls.
I have a number of presets that use an external preamp... only recently relaized that with the tube pre, you can use the speaker imp curve to really open things up to working better with the return from that preamp. axefx makes for one hellofa power-amp/speaker-sim and effects unit.

I think if you took any number of the folks who are afraid of the deep params... and let them play with an axe fx for a minute.... you'd convert 90% of them to the axe.

making the deluxe authentic despite functionality that might be interpreted incorrectly as "a bug" is a bold move. Add it to the huge list of things that I continually find about the axe that blow me away! every other day: thanks again cliff!
 
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