Wish 2 PITCH blocks nth concept

[BobXX]

Hypothesis:

• some people have suggested that the absence of the two PITCHes is due to the availability of only one Pitch Detector.
  While no one is certain, I'll start with that assumption
• It was also said that splitting Virtual Capo and Harmonizer blocks won't simplify anything: it will require anyway 2 PITCH blocks
• Hope there's enough memory left to add another Pitch block to the FM9's effects arsenal
• no CPU issues

Consider that example chain, no far from typical ones, PIT1 is used as a Virtual Capo/Octaver,
PIT2 - placed after AMP/DRV distortions - for Harmonizing effects:

The "concept..." is:​

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PIT1 uses the Pitch Detector.
PIT2 uses the same Pitch Detection with just an additional deviation parameter like: "Pitch Detection Adjustment"

That Pitch Detection Adj simply lets the user control how the Harmonized Voices logic is driven based on the detected pitch available, with e.g. a +- 12 semitones adjustment range.

Example:
PIT1 is set for detuning (meaning Virtual Capo) by 2 semitones
PIT2 can be set to work with "Pitch Detection Adj" -2 semitones to correct the internal logic.

There may be a case PIT1 is used as "detune" effect, maintaining the original signal as the main one,
since the PIT2 cannot know the will of the user: in that case the "Pitch Detection Adj" could be set to "0".

EDIT:
SYNTH block has a "PItch Detector": what about letting the use of a PITCH2 whenever the SYNTH block isn't in use?


NOTE: for people interested in this subject, check also also this thread, where I split 1 stereo PITCH in 2 mono ones...):

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/how-to-get-2-pitch-blocks-mono-from-fm9-fm3.215474/​

 

[BROCKSTAR]

Try the SYNTH block for more pitch options!

This does some very cool octave / harmonizing with your original tone. Remember it's monophonic though, so NO CHORDS ALLOWED!

You have 3 voices to play with and 5 oscillators to change your tone with (not counting the 2 noise ones).

Me using the SYNTH block

 

[BobXX]

Try the SYNTH block for more pitch options!
This does some very cool octave / harmonizing with your original tone. Remember it's monophonic though, so NO CHORDS ALLOWED!
You have 3 voices to play with and 5 oscillators to change your tone with (not counting the 2 noise ones).
Me using the SYNTH block

Thank you BROCKSTAR, it's not exactly what I'd like to achieve, but it might be useful in some cases and interesting for someone here!
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[ocaptainjr2]

Do you seriously think after the dozens of threads about adding a 2nd pitch block that Fractal wouldn't have implemented it in some way by now? I'd love to be proven wrong for no reason other than these threads would cease to exist.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[BobXX]

Do you seriously think after the dozens of threads about adding a 2nd pitch block that Fractal wouldn't have implemented it in some way by now? I'd love to be proven wrong for no reason other than these threads would cease to exist.

Sorry to have disturbed you with some stupid wish/idea...

This won't stop me suggesting, wishing and trying solutions, see the last part of the OP (how to split 1 stereo pitch in 2 mono ones), using the information and the possibilities the device offers and share them with all people interested,
like also BROCKSTAR did.

If you did something better or similar, I will be happy to know.

 

[ocaptainjr2]

I didn't say stupid, but I appreciate your self-awareness.

As far as better or similar solutions, I found one. Buy a product that supports two Pitch Blocks, such as the Axe-fx III.

 

[BobXX]

As far as better or similar solutions, I found one. Buy a product that supports two Pitch Blocks, such as the Axe-fx III.

I already have the AXE FX3 mk2 T, see my signature, but you know it has an opposite form factor, different use.

As floor units, following your suggestion, there are plenty with 2 or more pitch blocks available in the market, I already have the tiny (smaller than VP4/AM4) GT-1000 CORE with 3 good pitch blocks + 1 octaver.

But in the FAS world, the only one I truly love, the only real floor solution you should suggest is adding a VP4 (with 2 pitch blocks)... to a monster like FM9. Unfortunately I haven't the space to fit it or I/Os available in my FM9 setup.

So now, please, let's talk about OP, without inconclusive and useless criticisms.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

Boys, settle down! Don't make me pull this thread around!

 

[ocaptainjr2]

Boys, settle down! Don't make me pull this thread around!

Please do. There's dozen of others.

 

[BobXX]

Try the SYNTH block for more pitch options!

This reminds me also that SYNTH block have its own "Pitch Detector".

Starting from the assumptions in the OP, it could be an idea to allow a second PITCH, using that pitch detector only if SYNTH isn't used... ?

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[idisrock]

I really want to always keep a diatonic, key-assignable harmony effect placed after the drive and amp blocks in my signal chain.


In that setup, whenever the vocalist asks to lower the key, I want to be able to simply turn on a virtual capo at the very beginning of the chain and instantly shift the key down.


This is exactly how I’ve always worked when using Helix.


Every time a new FM9 update comes out, I can’t help but hope “maybe this time?” — but is this something that will never be possible to achieve on FM9?

I’m not very good at English, so I used a translator, but I believe everyone will understand what I’m trying to say even if some parts sound a bit awkward.

 

[sprint]

Users here aren't going to be able to tell you if / when any given wish is likely to be implemented. And you already have your answer from Fractal at least for now.

Putting an outboard
drop pedal in front seems like a viable stop gap measure while you're ...

 

[BobXX]

Every time a new FM9 update comes out, I can’t help but hope “maybe this time?” — but is this something that will never be possible to achieve on FM9?

I totally understand your feeling, it happens to me too.

With every beta, alpha, or gamma... update, I immediately scroll through all the release notes hoping to find a rabbit out of Cliff's hat.
I still have a strong feeling that it might happen,
halven the number of my FM9 presets and avoiding so many workarounds and useless work I was forced to do.

Three years ago, after a benchmark with all major manufacturers, I decided to "marry" Fractal for my rackmount rig (AXE FX III) and the equivalent floor one (FM9) to be used depending on stage and transportation possibilities.

I didn't check the two pitch blocks... it was obvious to me that there were at least two.
I discovered that other new or prospective customers were surprised by this FM9 limitation.

Even the microscopic Katana Go has 2 pitch blocks (of admittedly minuscole quality...), and the tiny GT-1000 CORE has 3 pretty good ones plus 1 octaver, so other manufacturers are definitely doing it.
Every one of them with their + - quality, but keeping the modern guitarist in mind: by design a minimum of two pitch effects.

It's a positive sign that, as far as I know, nobody has said, "It's impossible to add it," or "Don't hope for it."

So, we can still wish for a second pitch block or an additional virtual capo and then have a party when we finally see the magic rabbit appear!

 

[sprint]

I discovered that other new or prospective customers were surprised by this FM9 limitation.

Agreed its unfortunate it has only 1, but there should have been no surprise as I remember this chart always being readily accessible.

 

[Brewce]

It's a positive sign that, as far as I know, nobody has said [...] "Don't hope for it."

Then let me be the first... ;p

• You may be unaware that we already received an "extra" block that was advertised on the chart but not there?
  One would assume this considerably decreases chances for another and probably "heavier" extra block.
• Great as FAS is, this is tactically not the time to do that, IMO -- or would take too much time when new developments are more important now.

And where does it stop? I can easily see the need for 3 or 4 Pitch Blocks -- but sure, two is better.

Let's be happy the one we have is at least killer.

But yeah, good luck for sure!

 

[BobXX]

Agreed its unfortunate it has only 1, but there should have been no surprise as I remember this chart always being readily accessible.

In my case, it was my mistake: a genuine error.
I was too focused on benchmarking other critical features to verify what I considered obvious in the world's best floor unit... at least 2 pitch blocks.

And even though I knew the FM9 only has one pitch block, you know what?
I still chose Fractal anyway.

 

[BobXX]

Then let me be the first... ;p

• You may be unaware that we already received an "extra" block that was advertised on the chart but not there?
  One would assume this considerably decreases chances for another and probably "heavier" extra block.
• Great as FAS is, this is tactically not the time to do that, IMO -- or would take too much time when new developments are more important now.

And where does it stop? I can easily see the need for 3 or 4 Pitch Blocks -- but sure, two is better.

Let's be happy the one we have is at least killer.

But yeah, good luck for sure!

I agree with you.
But I also imagine the FAS will of perfection.

I mean, the separate VC/octaver is so important that probably guitarists will accept some imperfect compromise solution, like the one in OP, and others.


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