🔥Introducing ICONS - Amp Modeling + FX - Plugins & Standalone

As stated multiple times, the code is a direct port from Axe Fx III.

Whoa, I must have missed that (multiple times)!

Me right now:
Lord Of The Rings Lol Pippin GIF by Maudit
 
I don't think there should be any pressure for the plugins to sound EXACTLY the same
They will be since it's a direct port as mentioned above, and the calibration will ensure accurate
input . But, even not withstanding that, they should be imo - if I'm going back and forth between the plugin and hw in different contexts, I'd want presets with same settings on both to sound exactly the same.
 
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Alright, at this stage, we can only speculate on the strategy for getting the most complete plugin:

• Option A: Buy EVERY 'ICONS' collection—let’s say there are 8—at $300 each. This would give me all the amps AND all the FX. This would bring the total to $2,400.

• Option B: Buy a single volume at $99 per 'ICONS' release to get a set of amps per category while still getting ALL the FX. For 8 releases, the total would be $792.

Of course, this assumes there is no 'Complete Bundle' available; it’s the worst-case scenario for someone who wants an Axe-Fx III in plugin form

In most cases the AM4 appear like a very very very good deal :)
But yes I know ICONS aren’t made to be all purchased… but I know I won’t resist, even more if FAS accept to allow APPLE Pay ;)
 
They will be since it's a direct port as mentioned above, and the calibration will ensure accurate
input . But, even not
withstanding that, they should be imo - if I'm going back and forth between the plugin and hw in different contexts, I'd want presets with same settings on both to sound exactly the same.

Wouldn't that be assuming you're using Fractal Units as an interface? I mean, my little UA Volt 1 is not going to sound as good as using an Axe FX III as an interface, right?
 
As stated multiple times, the code is a direct port from Axe Fx III.
But non-compatible presets. Even with a machine released three months ago... with similar Amp /Cab capabilities... and stripped down Expert modes? :)

Info is patchy. No demo at launch. I think this is why so many people have questions.

You're an "inside" guy. Vast majority are not.

We're all (mostly) here because we LOVE Fractal. This is a fairly radical new direction. Will take some time... and clarified info... for people to understand where its all going, and how/if it fits into their world.

Exciting. Plenty of food for thought.

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Just curious - is ICONS an acronym for anything?

Or just referring to “iconic” amps?

These guys are wicked smaaaaaht so had to ask about the thinking behind the name being all upper case 😎
 
In most cases the AM4 appear like a very very very good deal
I'm not even sure how or why you're comparing with it as an option? AM4 in itself is pretty limited, for the sake of keeping the price point low. A computer, unlike a device of this sort, has virtually infinite CPU power, so plugins can do much more. And it makes sense for them to cost a hefty price, too, if we're talking about a more or less full array of Axe-FX capabilities. If that's ever going to materialize.
 
And another Nov. 18, 2008 post, by cliffc8488 on Rig Talk:

Everything is in there. All the reverbs, compressors, harmonizer, etc. We're probably going to sell a base version and then offer add-on packs. The base version will have amps, cabs, reverb, delay, etc. Then there'll be the "Studio Pack" which will have multi-band compressor, vocoder, etc.

We copied the whole grid-based routing theme as well. So it won't be a virtual rack like the other products. The main interface is the grid. You click on a location to select/edit an effect. When you click on an effect a control panel pops up for editing, very slick.

Our audio interface should be done shortly as well. This completes the package because it uses the "special sauce" front-end electronics from the Axe-Fx. The interface uses the same front-end electronics and converters as the Axe-Fx along with an 8 channel USB interface. There's also MIDI In and Out so you can hook a MIDI controller to it and control the software just like you would an Axe-Fx.

The basic idea is to turn your PC or Mac into an Axe-Fx. [sales pitch mode] You supply the hardware, we supply the audio interface and software. So you get our award-winning modeling and effects running on a PC or Mac. [/sale pitch mode] :D

It isn't going to be cheap though. It won't be as much as an Axe-Fx but it's not going to be in PodFarm (or whatever it's called) territory either. A LOT of development has gone into this. As with the Axe-Fx we don't skimp on things. If you want a cheap product then get GuitarRig or Amplitude. If you want quality and are willing to pay a little extra the Axe-PC is for you.
Sales pitch mode on/off lol
 
my little UA Volt 1 is not going to sound as good as using an Axe FX III as an interface, right?
If it’s relatively low noise, has correct impedance and headroom it should be just fine assuming you calibrate the level properly. And as far as I understand from glancing in the manual, there are tools for that.

Fractal devices use what they call “secret sauce” which, I would guess, is some noise shaping - moving noise to a less audible range - so they sound quieter than they really are. But there are interfaces with much better dynamic range that might not even need these tricks, although they are rare. Not sure about the Volt.
 
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Slap the plug on the bus with your DI
You don't even NEED a bus. Just run it right on the track! Though... Bussing is definitely fun and allows you to do things that are IMPOSSIBLE on a real guitar. Play that last missing note in a chord on an extra send track... Play overlays and underlays as if you had three hands. It's FUN.
 
Wouldn't that be assuming you're using Fractal Units as an interface? I mean, my little UA Volt 1 is not going to sound as good as using an Axe FX III as an interface, right?
Yes, assuming Fractal used as the interface (tho, maybe I have a tin ear, but in my experience, middle of the road interfaces (ie: I've had Roland OctaCapture and now FocusRite 18i20) can sound pretty much exactly the same as using Fractal as interface if they are calibrated correctly to put out the same signal as guitar going in (the miscalculation of which I suspect may account for incorrect opinions that the interface in question is of low quality - it's gotta be pretty bad these days for people to hear a difference when its' correctly calibrated).
 
If it’s relatively low noise, has correct impedance and headroom it should be just fine assuming you calibrate the level properly. And as far as I understand from glancing in the manual, there are tools for that.

I'm not concerned over whether it'll sound good, I just mean in the context of the plugins sounding exactly like FAS hardware, I presume that can only be the case if you're using FAS hardware as an interface
 
Yes, assuming Fractal used as the interface (tho, maybe I have a tin ear, but in my experience, middle of the road interfaces (ie: I've had Roland OctaCapture and now FocusRite 18i20) can sound pretty much exactly the same as using Fractal as interface if they are calibrated correctly to put out the same signal as guitar going in (the miscalculation of which I suspect may account for incorrect opinions that the interface in question is of low quality - it's gotta be pretty bad these days for people to hear a difference when its' correctly calibrated).

Maybe I just have sensitive ears in that sense - I have always found that tones are very noticeably different depending on what I'm using as an interface, especially if I'm using their respective headphone outputs too
 
I'm not even sure how or why you're comparing with it as an option? AM4 in itself is pretty limited, for the sake of keeping the price point low. A computer, unlike a device of this sort, has virtually infinite CPU power, so plugins can do much more. And it makes sense for them to cost a hefty price, too, if we're talking about a more or less full array of Axe-FX capabilities. If that's ever going to materialize.
Yes I think you’re right.
Better to compare ICONS hypothetical complete pack with full AXEFX III, especially considering that a complete rig of Fullerton is eating less than 2% of the CPU… I mean technically that mean that a MacBook could run smoothly a full multitrack 16 project…!
Now FAS amps and fx can run smoothly on CPU that probably means that next hardware could be also sporting a CPU chip instead of a costly DSP…!
Hahaha dreaming of AXEFX Pi5 ;)
 
middle of the road interfaces (ie: I've had Roland OctaCapture and now FocusRite 18i20) can sound pretty much exactly the same as using Fractal as interface
As I recall, those Roland interfaces are very noisy, I couldn’t use them for guitar at all. Focusrites are hit and miss, very different across generations and models, also some don’t have nearly enough headroom.
 
My only question is how to control the wah? Expression pedal between guitar and interface? What interface would be best? I have the cheap focusrite.
 
Maybe I just have sensitive ears in that sense - I have always found that tones are very noticeably different depending on what I'm using as an interface, especially if I'm using their respective headphone outputs too
Most interfaces have very crappy instrument inputs, so no surprise here. Some have wrong impedance, most are noisy and don’t have enough headroom. And quite often instrument inputs are slapped on mic preamps and distort.
 
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