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BROCKSTAR said:
Yes 19 i think since 2015. Usually 2 a year.
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For comparison, and because I wanted to see what'd happen, I told the AI available in my terminal, Warp, to tell me about my archive of firmware for the FX3. Granted, it's not quite what non-private beta-testers will see because the private-beta testers work with additional firmware file releases, but it's sufficient to get an idea how productive Cliff is. The first line was my command and everything else was the AI.

$ count the files in this directory and group them by year for all files in this directory

I'll count the files and group them by year for you.

Code: 
ls -la | awk 'NR>3 {print $6}' | sort | uniq -c | awk '{printf "%s: %d files\n", $2, $1}' && echo -e "\nTotal file count:" && ls -1 | wc -l

Let me get a better breakdown by actual year:

Code: 
la | awk 'NR>3 {if($8 ~ /^[0-9]{4}$/) print $8; else print "2024/2025"}' | sort | uniq -c | awk '{printf "%s: %d files\n", $2, $1}' ] ]

Let me get a more accurate count by parsing the dates properly:

Code: 
ls -la | awk 'NR>3 {
    if($8 ~ /^[0-9]{4}$/) {
        year = $8
    } else if($6 == "Dec" && $7 >= 13) {
        year = "2024"
    } else if($6 == "Jan" || $6 == "Feb" || $6 == "Apr" || $6 == "May") {
        year = "2025"
    } else {
        year = "2024"
    }
    years[year]++
}
END {
    for(year in years) {
        printf "%s: %d files\n", year, years[year]
    }
}' | sort

Perfect! Here's the file count breakdown by year for all files in your AxeFX III firmware directory:

File Count by Year:
• 2018: 31 files
• 2019: 51 files
• 2020: 38 files
• 2021: 28 files
• 2022: 41 files
• 2023: 39 files
• 2024: 23 files
• 2025: 11 files

Total: 262 files

Key observations:
• 2019 had the highest number of releases (51 files), likely due to major development activity
• 2021 had the fewest releases (28 files)
• 2025 shows 11 files so far (through May), indicating continued active development
• The archive spans 7+ years of firmware development from March 2018 through May 2025
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I've had it write some other code, both in Ruby and Python, and it's missed some details, but in general it's doing really well. It's not a general-purpose AI, it's specifically for programming and *nix-type command-line use, but it's fun. It's probably also trying to steal my state secrets. :)
 
Greg Ferguson said:
For comparison, and because I wanted to see what'd happen, I told the AI available in my terminal, Warp, to tell me about my archive of firmware for the FX3. Granted, it's not quite what non-private beta-testers will see because the private-beta testers work with additional firmware file releases, but it's sufficient to get an idea how productive Cliff is. The first line was my command and everything else was the AI.



I've had it write some other code, both in Ruby and Python, and it's missed some details, but in general it's doing really well. It's not a general-purpose AI, it's specifically for programming and *nix-type command-line use, but it's fun. It's probably also trying to steal my state secrets. :)
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Fractal definitely wins on the updates, but obviously each company has it's own goals and direction. Also some people see so many firmware updates and get turned off by it as well (i was one of those people in the past and thought something must be really wrong to update that many times lol). Also then there's people that see so little firmware updates and get turned off on that too lol.

However, now that I am in the fractal zone, I'm no longer turned off by it and see it as a good thing!
 
rog said:
Re the backpack - I do a lot of motocamping, and that price seems around what I would expect a good quality backpack to cost. That said, it would be nice if they'd bundle it in for a good discount.
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When the Helix Floor was originally released they included the backpack in an introductory bundle. I wasn't impressed with the build or materials; I have some very nice backpacks and bags that I compared them to. IMO, they were so-so, and unless they've greatly improved the quality for the price, I'd go with something by Studio Slips.

But that seems to be the situation too often; Some company makes a product and offers a bag for it, slaps their logo on it, but forgets to put the quality in.

Jeez, I sound like a curmudgeon. :)
 
axl-fx said:
It’s not like it’s a unique opinion.


I only had time to quickly flick through the L6 vid but they nailed the cab block with the visual mic movement etc.
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I think there are some vocal people who would prefer a different UI.

You used the word "loathe" which is pretty strong and I don't think is a common opinion.

But then again, I really don't agree with most people who complain about the UI.
 
BROCKSTAR said:
Fractal definitely wins on the updates, but obviously each company has it's own goals and direction. Also some people see so many firmware updates and get turned off by it as well (i was one of those people in the past and thought something must be really wrong to update that many times lol). Also then there's people that see so little firmware updates and get turned off on that too lol.

However, now that I am in the fractal zone, I'm no longer turned off by it and see it as a good thing!
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There are multiple methodologies for software development; Fractal being a small shop probably has a hybrid methodology based on "Rapid Application Development" which encourages quick turnaround and close customer interaction among other things.

I understand why people could be suspicious of it but that's usually because they don't actually see the improvements, they're not living in that world. Once they get involved it's amazing. We used it for years, before it was a formal thing, with 1-3 man teams working closely with the users.
 
Syrinx said:
I laughed several times during the intro at that stuff. "We invented how to model this.." "We even invented a way to model..."

Dude.. Fractal has had all of those things for years now.
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I think he's saying here that while Fractal does it one way, they've invented a different way or their own way to do it that aligns with their modeling process. See that video from Worship Tutorials. It doesn't mean that they invented it first. It means they designed their own way of doing it from scratch.
 
Wasn’t into helix as the amps sounded better in Axe Fx. But this time Helix could be on to something. Amp capture technology has come a like ng way, i'm especially impressed with tonex. In few years everyone's amp modeller/ capture will sound good as each other. We just have to choose which one is best for us and play music.
 
ranjan said:
Wasn’t into helix as the amps sounded better in Axe Fx. But this time Helix could be on to something. Amp capture technology has come a like ng way, i'm especially impressed with tonex. In few years everyone's amp modeller/ capture will sound good as each other. We just have to choose which one is best for us and play music.
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And then, all of the sudden....Tube amps will once again be in vogue..... And we will start all over again, well, the next gen of us.
 
Looks like a great product in paper, I would be very interested to check the difference between the old and the new amp engine, plus the capturing tech. The cloud training sounds very handy and it will be for free.
Also to some fanboys in general with strong opinions and bold words, unless you own stock in the Fractal company or are employees or have a monetary interest in the company, you sound absolutely ridiculous.
 
dws2384 said:
The two can coexist and both are needed to make a top tier product. We can only get AS accurate as the gear being modelled/profiled, not more. Fractal is already there, you can’t tell in a blind test for years, they should be chasing down a better user experience. I’ll give L6 the benefit of the doubt and assume this will be very close to Fractal modelling and the capture tech will be as good as QC and Tonex. That being the case the usability and extra features of this thing will make it the most compelling choice.

There are already $50 pedals that play NAM profiles at a reduced resolution that null to the same quality as QC and Kemper. Won’t be long until $100 ones can play full resolution ones. Companies are already starting to use it to build out full models like the new ML Sound lab Soldano. The playing field for sound quality will be level in the not so distant future and it will be price and other features that separate the products. It’s like digital cameras. Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Leica, Sony all use the same sensors bought from Sony and their image quality is all the same for the same sensor. They have to compete on feature set, ecosystem, user experience and price. You can argue that it wont happen all you want, but it will.
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In my opinion, a capture will never produce the same quality as an amp whose components are perfectly simulated individually and put together in program code to an complete amp. Every good capture will fail. The concept to be able to change every setting instead of accepting a capture I made in past is the next argument. FAS rules and that's it why I'm here.
 
It looks like a fantastic platform with a ton of potential.

In current form at least, with 16 amp models, I don't think I'll be selling my FM9. Maybe in a year or two. But the hardware looks great and Line 6 clearly seems invested in making this their platform for the next decade with potential for development of nearly every feature.

A few of the features look a bit amateur-oriented--specifically, the effect descriptions and the preset tones one can swipe between for each effect. But, between the improved hardware and DSP, better modeling, profiling capabilities, and what looks like a fantastic UI, Stadium will surely be a hit.
 
Rockuronium said:
It looks like a fantastic platform with a ton of potential.

In current form at least, with 16 amp models, I don't think I'll be selling my FM9. Maybe in a year or two. But the hardware looks great and Line 6 clearly seems invested in making this their platform for the next decade with potential for development of nearly every feature.

A few of the features look a bit amateur-oriented--specifically, the effect descriptions and the preset tones one can swipe between for each effect. But, between the improved hardware and DSP, better modeling, profiling capabilities, and what looks like a fantastic UI, Stadium will surely be a hit.
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It has everything helix has right now. The 16 amp models is just the new amp algorithm models.
 
mehegama said:
Also to some fanboys in general with strong opinions and bold words, unless you own stock in the Fractal company or are employees or have a monetary interest in the company, you sound absolutely ridiculous.
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Agree, extremely bizarre behaviour.
rog said:
The TMP did something of real substance - it led to us getting gapless switching. For me, thats a really big deal.
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Tone Matching/QC captures/Tone X/NAM came after profiling ... would it
have if Kemper didn’t exist... who knows?

That was a good quote earlier about the water level rising.

Im not even sure what goes on the mind of someone so bitter celebrating some new product or feature might put another company out of business?!?
 
Not for me. I'd rather not have a touchscreen GUI on the device. There isn't a GUI on an audio interface, because we use Pro Tools, Cubase, Reaper. Maybe because of the age of cell phones and tablets there will be those who cry out for this, but I just think that money is better spent on other components.

dws2384 said:
Fractal has a great UI. Unfortunately it's Axe Edit and not on device. They need to find a way to get that polished and into the next generation of devices. Keep the same physical buttons and knobs the way L6 did but make it in combination with a large touchscreen. I should not need to be entering preset names with a scroll wheel and enter key in 2025
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