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Practice makes perfect. She'll be nailing IVs in a couple of months.
...by a lubricant miser.Could be worse. Could be first time catheter insertion.
Like I said how is it (some thought I was joking and I was, but only partially) Junkies can become experts in a day. It’s all about dedication and discipline. I think we’re talking about the increasingly poor heath care both administrative and medical. My sister went to nursing school in 1970 and then went right into ICU care as a RN up until 3 years ago. I don’t think there was such a thing as a two year tech then. She had to wear the whole respectable uniform and hat and had to do it right the first time or it was hell to pay. See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling” and there was no room for half assed dedication. You had to prove yourself quick or go find less important work. Those of us alive then remember how it was. Now I have doctors, nurses and techs strolling around with full arm tattoos and “tramp stamps” and almost see through scrubs or whatever the hell they wear. It’s really a mess.As a nurse I can ask "How do you expect people to learn"?
Read about it in a book and then instantly know how to do it?
It took me forever to get proper techniques going even on meaningless shit like wound dressings and so on.
I got yelled at for things that I couldn't do perfect because I was fresh out of nursing school. People need to fucking chill.
Not saying you’re one of these, but somehow having a nurse tap a vein was never an issue until about 20 or so years ago.
Sounds like you have a vagal response and it’s pretty commonI would have bailed out. I can’t do needles. Last time I had blood taken I had to have my ex-wife come hold my hand and I’m not even joking, nor do I give a shit how unmanly that makes me. I get so weak in the knees I can barely stand. It’s not even the sight of blood or anything, it’s the damn needle piercing my skin and entering a vein that freaks me the f out.
Your post is a mixed bag for me. I don't want to touch the 3rd rail political stuff, but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it. In fact it might the only area of medicine that is not as driven by greed and status. Too many Docs become Docs now because they want to make money and be put on a pedestal because they are doctors, not because they feel a calling to heal. Plus they get a sh*t ton of time to play golf while earning more than they should!Like I said how is it (some thought I was joking and I was, but only partially) Junkies can become experts in a day. It’s all about dedication and discipline. I think we’re talking about the increasingly poor heath care both administrative and medical. My sister went to nursing school in 1970 and then went right into ICU care as a RN up until 3 years ago. I don’t think there was such a thing as a two year tech then. She had to wear the whole respectable uniform and hat and had to do it right the first time or it was hell to pay. See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling” and there was no room for half assed dedication. You had to prove yourself quick or go find less important work. Those of us alive then remember how it was. Now I have doctors, nurses and techs strolling around with full arm tattoos and “tramp stamps” and almost see through scrubs or whatever the hell they wear. It’s really a mess.
Not saying you’re one of these, but somehow having a nurse tap a vein was never an issue until about 20 or so years ago. Then all of a sudden everything started to go downhill. Now that my country allowed itself to be duped by a professional conman into excepting socialized medicine it’s all but over and now my country is experiencing the same crap we use to hear about with the rest of the world. Long wait times, poor care, rationing of care, insane costs (worse than ever before) etc. Don’t expect much sympathy from me. I have had too many people including myself experience some F’d up care lately. It’s very clear that some people are being considered not worth the effort. Like Obama said “give ‘em’ a pain pill and let them die”. Hell now you can’t even get the pain pill because all of the opiate hysteria.
Your post is a mixed bag for me. I don't want to touch the 3rd rail political stuff, but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it. In fact it might the only area of medicine that is not as driven by greed and status. Too many Docs become Docs now because they want to make money and be put on a pedestal because they are doctors, not because they feel a calling to heal. Plus they get a sh*t ton of time to play golf while earning more than they should!
There's a lot of factors behind the issues but mostly it is both sides of the insurance industry. Malpractice insurance is ridiculously expensive and Medical insurance keeps going up while providing less benefits. The insurance industry made everything about your insurance card so blame them. What industry in the US is the wealthiest Industry? Hint it is not oil companies. Heathcare, Pharmaceutical and Insurance make up the lion's share (see this).
I'm lucky I can afford great insurance, but it is still very difficult for me to even get in to see a doctor. They always try to push you to a Nurse Practitioner or Physicians Assistant. That is greed driven nothing to do with socialization. They bill the same rate for a PA/NP as they do for a Doc. Do they get paid the same? Not even close. Is it fair that since I have great insurance I get to live longer than someone who didn't have the same opportunities as me simply because they can't afford decent insurance? Hell No! We are the only western civilized nation that does not provide funded healthcare to their citizenry. The same can be said about college tuition. Pick a European country - they pay for college - students and parents pay zero.
Question: Canada has socialized medicine, they live longer and have better health outcomes than we do across income demographics. Why?
The best relationship between capitalism and socialism is an asymptotic one (they approach each other but never meet in the middle). Certain things makes sense to be socialized (Medicine and College among them). Other things should never be socialized especially the oil industry - yet it is very socialized already even though they continue to make record profits. How about Banks. Weren't the bailouts textbook socialism?
I have about 8 college friends that are all doctors now, from a pediatrician (who was my room mate) to 2 orthopedic surgeons, to a cardiologist, a dermatologist, 2 GP's, 1 OB, and an anesthesiologist. I went to UCSD for undergrad. Back then UCSD was all premed and engineering. It has diversified some since, but as a whole it is still focused heavily on STEM.Apparently, you neither know very many doctors or many Canadians…
Most of them are 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation docs. The 3 that have kids in college are either Premed or in Med school already.You should ask your doctor friends if they recommend the medical field for their progeny.
Try to get an MRI in Canada within a week.
Cancer survival rates in the US outstrip all other nations. The world’s wealthy come here for treatment.
Every Canadian I know that could swing it, comes here for surgery.
You do you boo!
Man I had that happen too - YOUNG nurse doing that exact thing and I was finally like "how's it goin there? We almost good? Really starting to get to me a little bit so if we can move it along, that would be great." 1 more missed poke and I think I would lost it. Like just give it to me, I'll do it myself.Had my decennial colonoscopy yesterday. They assigned me a nurse who was obviously a new hire. She's lucky she doesn't have a black eye now.
Three times she tried to get the IV in my arm and failed miserably each time. Finally the anesthesiologist took over and did it first try.
See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling”
“First, this is not an attack on @Rex Rox just a correction. @Rex Rox, like most everyone, seems like a great person. So many issues that confront us should not be looked at personally, but as systems that are beyond our individual control. At least in todays world. I wanted to make that clear previously and forgot. I know there are many people in the medical field that work their butts off and are doing their best. I have family members who were and are just that.”but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it
I never thought you singled out nurses. I was only saying that in the entire healthcare fiasco in our country, the part made up by nurses has more heroes per capita than any other part of that industry.“First, this is not an attack on @Rex Rox just a correction. @Rex Rox, like most everyone, seems like a great person. So many issues that confront us should not be looked at personally, but as systems that are beyond our individual control. At least in todays world. I wanted to make that clear previously and forgot. I know there are many people in the medical field that work their butts off and are doing their best. I have family members who were and are just that.”
Just to clarify and show where my comments were not understood or some have yet to experience the truth, but I never said anything close to nurses are the only vocation considered to be a calling. In fact I meant more to imply that the idea of “a calling” has become passé. Maybe the clergy, but I question that lately.
Now, I said what I said and I have lots of lived experience to proved it, but since this subject is absolutely about the “3rd rail” (among many some other subjects) I will end with this. It’s easy to throw the word “political” around these days to silence people, but this is about governments, unseen powers and a growing population of ignorance that politics is just one of many tools used to deceive. It’s also about way more than someone’s ability to draw blood. That is just a symptom of a much, much larger problem. The truth is probably closer that the old guard are jumping the sinking ship at a huge rate and all that are left are a disproportionate amount of younger less experienced people. This is still a symptom of a big problem.
As long (and this is speaking of America, but I’m certain it applies everywhere) as we live in a country where its ability to generate true wealth has been stripped by the very people who claim to deserve so many entitlements and what little wealth there happens to be is being stolen daily at an enormous rate, the “idea” of “free healthcare” is an illusion (delusion) and a lie. In fact it has become just another system to steal that wealth.