Rookie Nurse

As a nurse I can ask "How do you expect people to learn"?

Read about it in a book and then instantly know how to do it?

It took me forever to get proper techniques going even on meaningless shit like wound dressings and so on.

I got yelled at for things that I couldn't do perfect because I was fresh out of nursing school. People need to fucking chill.
 
As a nurse I can ask "How do you expect people to learn"?

Read about it in a book and then instantly know how to do it?

It took me forever to get proper techniques going even on meaningless shit like wound dressings and so on.

I got yelled at for things that I couldn't do perfect because I was fresh out of nursing school. People need to fucking chill.
Like I said how is it (some thought I was joking and I was, but only partially) Junkies can become experts in a day. It’s all about dedication and discipline. I think we’re talking about the increasingly poor heath care both administrative and medical. My sister went to nursing school in 1970 and then went right into ICU care as a RN up until 3 years ago. I don’t think there was such a thing as a two year tech then. She had to wear the whole respectable uniform and hat and had to do it right the first time or it was hell to pay. See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling” and there was no room for half assed dedication. You had to prove yourself quick or go find less important work. Those of us alive then remember how it was. Now I have doctors, nurses and techs strolling around with full arm tattoos and “tramp stamps” and almost see through scrubs or whatever the hell they wear. It’s really a mess.

Not saying you’re one of these, but somehow having a nurse tap a vein was never an issue until about 20 or so years ago. Then all of a sudden everything started to go downhill. Now that my country allowed itself to be duped by a professional conman into excepting socialized medicine it’s all but over and now my country is experiencing the same crap we use to hear about with the rest of the world. Long wait times, poor care, rationing of care, insane costs (worse than ever before) etc. Don’t expect much sympathy from me. I have had too many people including myself experience some F’d up care lately. It’s very clear that some people are being considered not worth the effort. Like Obama said “give ‘em’ a pain pill and let them die”. Hell now you can’t even get the pain pill because all of the opiate hysteria.
 
I once had a rookie blood tech break the needle off in the crook of my elbow during a draw. She freaked out and I had to pull the needle out myself. The attending nurse came in at the end of this and asked her to get her lead and come back. I was the least freaked out person in the room.
Having bad asthma since I was 4YO, getting stuck was routine.
 
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Not saying you’re one of these, but somehow having a nurse tap a vein was never an issue until about 20 or so years ago.

Because back then the whole thing was quite a bit easier. You had less standards, less stuff to know, etc

I have heard so many old school nurses say to me "I am glad I am not going to school these days. It's so much more than we ever had to do back then"
 
I am in my 74th year.
I have donated blood more than 70 times.
My blood is RH+0.
But I'm a little afraid of the blood test!
My vein is gone.
I need to find my vein!
I get 2-3 stabs before they find me.
 
As A retired firefighter I’m glad I learned from the old timers listen to them and they will keep you alive. Something to be said for old school. Things have advanced so much now Thank you to you guys that are out there working now share your knowledge with those that want to learn.
I did and still get called from brothers that moved on to bigger cities and are now much higher in rank.
 
I would have bailed out. I can’t do needles. Last time I had blood taken I had to have my ex-wife come hold my hand and I’m not even joking, nor do I give a shit how unmanly that makes me. I get so weak in the knees I can barely stand. It’s not even the sight of blood or anything, it’s the damn needle piercing my skin and entering a vein that freaks me the f out.
Sounds like you have a vagal response and it’s pretty common
I have to lie down it not really the needle for me it took me a long time to figure out , it’s not the pain or discomfort it’s the feeling afterward
That makes it bad , in which I have a cold sweat , feel weak and dizzy like I am going to pass out
This oddly happens after the test in over
If this is familiar that’s what it is
 
Like I said how is it (some thought I was joking and I was, but only partially) Junkies can become experts in a day. It’s all about dedication and discipline. I think we’re talking about the increasingly poor heath care both administrative and medical. My sister went to nursing school in 1970 and then went right into ICU care as a RN up until 3 years ago. I don’t think there was such a thing as a two year tech then. She had to wear the whole respectable uniform and hat and had to do it right the first time or it was hell to pay. See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling” and there was no room for half assed dedication. You had to prove yourself quick or go find less important work. Those of us alive then remember how it was. Now I have doctors, nurses and techs strolling around with full arm tattoos and “tramp stamps” and almost see through scrubs or whatever the hell they wear. It’s really a mess.

Not saying you’re one of these, but somehow having a nurse tap a vein was never an issue until about 20 or so years ago. Then all of a sudden everything started to go downhill. Now that my country allowed itself to be duped by a professional conman into excepting socialized medicine it’s all but over and now my country is experiencing the same crap we use to hear about with the rest of the world. Long wait times, poor care, rationing of care, insane costs (worse than ever before) etc. Don’t expect much sympathy from me. I have had too many people including myself experience some F’d up care lately. It’s very clear that some people are being considered not worth the effort. Like Obama said “give ‘em’ a pain pill and let them die”. Hell now you can’t even get the pain pill because all of the opiate hysteria.
Your post is a mixed bag for me. I don't want to touch the 3rd rail political stuff, but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it. In fact it might the only area of medicine that is not as driven by greed and status. Too many Docs become Docs now because they want to make money and be put on a pedestal because they are doctors, not because they feel a calling to heal. Plus they get a sh*t ton of time to play golf while earning more than they should!

There's a lot of factors behind the issues but mostly it is both sides of the insurance industry. Malpractice insurance is ridiculously expensive and Medical insurance keeps going up while providing less benefits. The insurance industry made everything about your insurance card so blame them. What industry in the US is the wealthiest Industry? Hint it is not oil companies. Heathcare, Pharmaceutical and Insurance make up the lion's share (see this).

I'm lucky I can afford great insurance, but it is still very difficult for me to even get in to see a doctor. They always try to push you to a Nurse Practitioner or Physicians Assistant. That is greed driven nothing to do with socialization. They bill the same rate for a PA/NP as they do for a Doc. Do they get paid the same? Not even close. Is it fair that since I have great insurance I get to live longer than someone who didn't have the same opportunities as me simply because they can't afford decent insurance? Hell No! We are the only western civilized nation that does not provide funded healthcare to their citizenry. The same can be said about college tuition. Pick a European country - they pay for college - students and parents pay zero.

Question: Canada has socialized medicine, they live longer and have better health outcomes than we do across income demographics. Why?

The best relationship between capitalism and socialism is an asymptotic one (they approach each other but never meet in the middle). Certain things makes sense to be socialized (Medicine and College among them). Other things should never be socialized especially the oil industry - yet it is very socialized already even though they continue to make record profits. How about Banks. Weren't the bailouts textbook socialism?
 
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Had a blood draw at one of the popular testing labs in CA.
I could swear she gave the tip of the needle an extra slicing motion when taking it out.
Worst hematoma ever.
Not sure if incompetence or malice, but a couple weeks later went back and requested
different tech and they told me she didn't work there anymore.
 
Your post is a mixed bag for me. I don't want to touch the 3rd rail political stuff, but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it. In fact it might the only area of medicine that is not as driven by greed and status. Too many Docs become Docs now because they want to make money and be put on a pedestal because they are doctors, not because they feel a calling to heal. Plus they get a sh*t ton of time to play golf while earning more than they should!

There's a lot of factors behind the issues but mostly it is both sides of the insurance industry. Malpractice insurance is ridiculously expensive and Medical insurance keeps going up while providing less benefits. The insurance industry made everything about your insurance card so blame them. What industry in the US is the wealthiest Industry? Hint it is not oil companies. Heathcare, Pharmaceutical and Insurance make up the lion's share (see this).

I'm lucky I can afford great insurance, but it is still very difficult for me to even get in to see a doctor. They always try to push you to a Nurse Practitioner or Physicians Assistant. That is greed driven nothing to do with socialization. They bill the same rate for a PA/NP as they do for a Doc. Do they get paid the same? Not even close. Is it fair that since I have great insurance I get to live longer than someone who didn't have the same opportunities as me simply because they can't afford decent insurance? Hell No! We are the only western civilized nation that does not provide funded healthcare to their citizenry. The same can be said about college tuition. Pick a European country - they pay for college - students and parents pay zero.

Question: Canada has socialized medicine, they live longer and have better health outcomes than we do across income demographics. Why?

The best relationship between capitalism and socialism is an asymptotic one (they approach each other but never meet in the middle). Certain things makes sense to be socialized (Medicine and College among them). Other things should never be socialized especially the oil industry - yet it is very socialized already even though they continue to make record profits. How about Banks. Weren't the bailouts textbook socialism?

Apparently, you neither know very many doctors or many Canadians…
 
The timing on this....just took my 90 year old Mom for a blood draw the other day. The tech poked around a bunch of times, and my Mom was left tending to an infection at the blood draw site....and no, despite her age, she doesn't have "difficult" blood vessels. I'd never heard of that kind of incompetence before. Spitting mad.
 
Apparently, you neither know very many doctors or many Canadians…
I have about 8 college friends that are all doctors now, from a pediatrician (who was my room mate) to 2 orthopedic surgeons, to a cardiologist, a dermatologist, 2 GP's, 1 OB, and an anesthesiologist. I went to UCSD for undergrad. Back then UCSD was all premed and engineering. It has diversified some since, but as a whole it is still focused heavily on STEM.

I have many Canadian friends and worked in Calgary for about 6 months. Canadians hate their queues for elective surgeries - so the wealthy ones fly south and pay to get them done here faster. I have not met one Canadian that wants to pay our drugs prices or one that comes here for cancer treatment. In that case you are much better off in Canada unless you want to bankrupt yourself and family for the same outcome. Most love their healthcare except for the elective surgery queues.

The lifespan differences between the US and Canada are well documented. Google it.

Edit: Make that 9 Doc friends. All amazing golfers BTW ;)
 
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You should ask your doctor friends if they recommend the medical field for their progeny.

Try to get an MRI in Canada within a week.

Cancer survival rates in the US outstrip all other nations. The world’s wealthy come here for treatment.

Every Canadian I know that could swing it, comes here for surgery.

You do you boo!
 
You should ask your doctor friends if they recommend the medical field for their progeny.

Try to get an MRI in Canada within a week.

Cancer survival rates in the US outstrip all other nations. The world’s wealthy come here for treatment.

Every Canadian I know that could swing it, comes here for surgery.

You do you boo!
Most of them are 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation docs. The 3 that have kids in college are either Premed or in Med school already.

What is the need for the MRI? You need to get one for elective surgery? You will wait. You need to get one for a life threatening health issue you go straight to the front of the line.

Cancer: I handled that already. Canadians get the same outcome as I already said in my message above. They just don't go bankrupt getting the treatments. Canadians do not come here for Cancer treatment - not even the wealthy ones. Unless they want to get their Chemo at one of our posh medical resorts. Then sure - but they are not coming here because our cancer outcomes are better than Canada's. Statiscally they are about the same.

Surgery as I already said - if it is elective and they can swing it - sure. Same as the upper class Canadian's I know - if it is elective. One of my Canadian friend's wife was having vision problems. Her doctor recommended an MRI and it was prioritized to rule out a brain tumor. She was diagnosed with a Meningioma (brain tumor) after getting the MRI within about 1 week and scheduled for surgery within about 2. We are close so my wife and I flew up to be with him. 6 1/2 hours on the table for a craniotomy to remove the tumor. Thankfully she is doing great 6 years out. She lost a little vision in one eye due to the pressure the tumor put on her optic nerve but she went skiing with us this year! They paid nothing for any of it. Down here that surgery would cost 10's of thousands and the outcome probably would have been the same.

And I always do me bro!
 
Had my decennial colonoscopy yesterday. They assigned me a nurse who was obviously a new hire. She's lucky she doesn't have a black eye now.

Three times she tried to get the IV in my arm and failed miserably each time. Finally the anesthesiologist took over and did it first try.
Man I had that happen too - YOUNG nurse doing that exact thing and I was finally like "how's it goin there? We almost good? Really starting to get to me a little bit so if we can move it along, that would be great." 1 more missed poke and I think I would lost it. Like just give it to me, I'll do it myself.
 
See, there was a time when medicine (along with many other occupations like education) was considered a “calling”
but I think it is overly generalizing to say that nurses, especially, aren't the one vocation in medicine where people still feel a calling to do it
“First, this is not an attack on @Rex Rox just a correction. @Rex Rox, like most everyone, seems like a great person. So many issues that confront us should not be looked at personally, but as systems that are beyond our individual control. At least in todays world. I wanted to make that clear previously and forgot. I know there are many people in the medical field that work their butts off and are doing their best. I have family members who were and are just that.”

Just to clarify and show where my comments were not understood or some have yet to experience the truth, but I never said anything close to nurses are the only vocation considered to be a calling. In fact I meant more to imply that the idea of “a calling” has become passé. Maybe the clergy, but I question that lately.

Now, I said what I said and I have lots of lived experience to proved it, but since this subject is absolutely about the “3rd rail” (among many some other subjects) I will end with this. It’s easy to throw the word “political” around these days to silence people, but this is about governments, unseen powers and a growing population of ignorance that politics is just one of many tools used to deceive. It’s also about way more than someone’s ability to draw blood. That is just a symptom of a much, much larger problem. The truth is probably closer that the old guard are jumping the sinking ship at a huge rate and all that are left are a disproportionate amount of younger less experienced people. This is still a symptom of a big problem.

As long (and this is speaking of America, but I’m certain it applies everywhere) as we live in a country where its ability to generate true wealth has been stripped by the very people who claim to deserve so many entitlements and what little wealth there happens to be is being stolen daily at an enormous rate, the “idea” of “free healthcare” is an illusion (delusion) and a lie. In fact it has become just another system to steal that wealth.
 
“First, this is not an attack on @Rex Rox just a correction. @Rex Rox, like most everyone, seems like a great person. So many issues that confront us should not be looked at personally, but as systems that are beyond our individual control. At least in todays world. I wanted to make that clear previously and forgot. I know there are many people in the medical field that work their butts off and are doing their best. I have family members who were and are just that.”

Just to clarify and show where my comments were not understood or some have yet to experience the truth, but I never said anything close to nurses are the only vocation considered to be a calling. In fact I meant more to imply that the idea of “a calling” has become passé. Maybe the clergy, but I question that lately.

Now, I said what I said and I have lots of lived experience to proved it, but since this subject is absolutely about the “3rd rail” (among many some other subjects) I will end with this. It’s easy to throw the word “political” around these days to silence people, but this is about governments, unseen powers and a growing population of ignorance that politics is just one of many tools used to deceive. It’s also about way more than someone’s ability to draw blood. That is just a symptom of a much, much larger problem. The truth is probably closer that the old guard are jumping the sinking ship at a huge rate and all that are left are a disproportionate amount of younger less experienced people. This is still a symptom of a big problem.

As long (and this is speaking of America, but I’m certain it applies everywhere) as we live in a country where its ability to generate true wealth has been stripped by the very people who claim to deserve so many entitlements and what little wealth there happens to be is being stolen daily at an enormous rate, the “idea” of “free healthcare” is an illusion (delusion) and a lie. In fact it has become just another system to steal that wealth.
I never thought you singled out nurses. I was only saying that in the entire healthcare fiasco in our country, the part made up by nurses has more heroes per capita than any other part of that industry.

I did agree with you on Doctors not feeling a calling like they used to and still should. Docs used to take their hypocritic oaths seriously too. Generalizations are always a bad idea, and I have read about doctors that put their lives at risk to go into some scary places to save lives. There's no paycheck for them just a mortal risk.

But speaking as a guy that could fill a minibus with doctor friends they are not those doctors. All the doctors I encounter for my own healthcare now seem like they are running from room to room with 15 mins for each patient. My doc friends say this is due to the way insurance companies force them to ration benefits. That's not a socialized thing. Insurance companies are among the wealthiest companies in the US. I left a link above, but it is an easy google too.

Again the rest is a mixed bag for me. I believe it is possible to have a free society with an economy based on innovation where the best solutions thrive and enjoy the wealth of that success. That ecosystem should never be socialized. In fact no private industry should be socialized or enjoy government benefits. Especially not banks, oil companies, mining companies, corporate farms, large corporations, etc. Yet all those things are socialized in our country already in the form of subsidies, tax laws making their rates effectively zero, etc.

But the human compassion side of this equation will not be solved with wealth and profit margins. Or it would already be sorted. Medical bankruptcies are a way of stealing from the poor to make the rich richer. No one should build wealth that way. At the center of healthcare are human lives, literal life and death for moms, dads, kids, etc. If there is one thing that should be guaranteed it is healthcare.

Next would be education if we want to remain competitive against economic adversaries that provide free education to their populations. Healthcare and Education (including college) - yeah I'm totally down with socializing those so they are free for every US citizen.

And sincere kudos to you for sharing your beliefs in a way that is respectful and even complimentary. I hope I achieved the same.
 
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