mortega76
Fractal Fanatic
... Mesa 2:50 tube power amp...
Thanks for the replies fellas...
THIS is why your tone sounds great... I'm trying to cut out the TUBE part. What kind of success are you having with a Solid State Power Amp?
... Mesa 2:50 tube power amp...
That is a loaded question and a matter of preference. I never played through a solid state amp. So my ears heard a different tone. Call it coloring, warmth vs. sterile, I don't know. But you name the top end suggested SS amps and I tried one and never liked any of them better than my 2:90. I did find switching from a Mesa Boogie 2:90 to a Mesa Boogie 2:50 made a big difference, for the better, in tone. I really only switched because I didn't need the half, deep and modern features of the 2:90. But once switched over I noticed the 2:90 colored the tone because it is voiced differently than the 2:50. I also noticed that I was able to turn it up more because of less wattage. I had to run the 2:90 on 2 and can run the 2:50 almost halfway. This adds some more tube saturation to the mix. And, contrary to what has been posted over and over again, I have amp and cab modeling turned on and adjust my EQ to taste.Thanks for the replies fellas...
THIS is why your tone sounds great... I'm trying to cut out the TUBE part. What kind of success are you having with a Solid State Power Amp?
I stand by my original post, except I shouldn't have used the word sound. They do sound the same, particularly in a recording. It's the feel and in room experience that I find lacking compared to a amp/cab.
I tried these presets and the only one I like was the JCM 800 (#2 I think). But even then, I needed to tweak it a bit to get it closer to the amp in the room sound. I prefer the one's I made over these actually. But what do I know. Lol
I was referencing the video, not the presets. I haven't even tried the presets nor am I interested in them since I have fantastic sounding presets of my own.
I was simply pointing out that a Grammy-award winning guitarist couldn't hear or feel the difference between an amp+cab and the Axe model & IR of the same cab when monitoring from an isolated control room. I agree though - what do I know indeed? I'll take Larry's word for it and enjoy my delicious sounding box of amps.
I didn't watch the video, but I assume the presets are the ones being used.
As Phil pointed out, Mr. Larry couldn't hear nor feel any difference. By feel, I mean the "tube feeling" btw. The only difference between real amp and model comes with the "Amp in the room" feeling, but to me at least, there are work arounds for that. I just plug my AXE into a Matrix GT1000FX and then to some big ass flat speakers.
I haven't missed tube amps ever since, not even in the room.
I don't know what you might be doing wrong, but the amps are really accurate, and I bet the recto models match Cliff's amps almost perfectly.
You said the video was amp &cab vs. Axe & IR monitored. How is that any different than what I'm doing?
To clarify, let me add a comma and one extra word to my statement - "couldn't hear or feel the difference between an amp+cab and the Axe model & IR of the same cab, when monitoring both from an isolated control room"
They were listening to everything via monitors. Whether the real amp+cab, or the model+IR. The real amp head was in the room with him but the physical cab it was connected to was mic'd up in an iso booth. I apologize if my original statement was misunderstood.
...if the modeling and IR capture are spot on. Which they were.I agree with that. If you recorded both, they'd be identical
...if the modeling and IR capture are spot on. Which they were.
A CLR is an FRFR solution and won't sound/feel like a guitar cab in the room no matter how you tweak. The difference is listening to a guitar cab versus listening to a monitor that's being sent a mic'd guitar cab in an isolated room.
There are other differences besides EQ and impedance.I have to disagree here a bit.
My speakers are not monitors, they are just really big flat speakers.
I just roll off the highs and some lows in the cab block and I get the same feeling as a 4x12.
I tend to think of my speakers as a Cac without coloration. The coloration is set by the cab block in the AXE.
Hahahaha... no kidding! Like I've said in the past, I wonder if low gain amps don't have an issue but higher gain amps might?That was implied. I do believe the Axe can sound like and as good as a mic'd amp/cab. I think Mo's issues arise from the "in-the-room" sound, not being satisfying compared to a real amp/cab. I've known Mo for a few years and I don't think this is a new issue. Lol
How can this be a loaded question? My current rig is an Axe-fx II into a Solid State Power Amp (which would require me to enable power amp simulation and disable cab simulation to have a 'proper' setup) into several cabs and I'm trying to keep the Solid State portion of it to avoid tubes at all costs since it will cost me to replace tubes and whatever issues arise from that. From your post it looks like you have an Axe-fx into a Tube power amp (which obviously has it's own 'tube power amp' flavor going on which the Axe simulates when you enable the power amp simulation. Then you have it power amp sims enabled which would/should be the same as if you were applying the sound of another tube power amp then you are going into a cab. As I mentioned before, I'm trying to use the Axe-fx as one of it's intended setups: Amp/SSPA/Cab and for years have been unsuccessful.That is a loaded question and a matter of preference. I never played through a solid state amp. So my ears heard a different tone. Call it coloring, warmth vs. sterile, I don't know. But you name the top end suggested SS amps and I tried one and never liked any of them better than my 2:90. I did find switching from a Mesa Boogie 2:90 to a Mesa Boogie 2:50 made a big difference, for the better, in tone. I really only switched because I didn't need the half, deep and modern features of the 2:90. But once switched over I noticed the 2:90 colored the tone because it is voiced differently than the 2:50. I also noticed that I was able to turn it up more because of less wattage. I had to run the 2:90 on 2 and can run the 2:50 almost halfway. This adds some more tube saturation to the mix. And, contrary to what has been posted over and over again, I have amp and cab modeling turned on and adjust my EQ to taste.