200man
Power User
Thanks for your comments in this thread!I did not say that!! For the majority of users <= 10 ms cannot be heard. That's why a lot of people play a modeller with a digital wireless and only get the signal from FOH digital mixer to a monitor with DSP. And they feel very comfortable even though the resulting latency is well over 10 ms. And others still have digital pedals in the FX loop. And that's why I asked a lot of experts about it. And they were usually biologists. You're welcome if you stand out from the crowd. But I was primarily concerned with the 0.x ms. Because latency is unavoidable in digital systems. Nothing more. You misunderstood me or perhaps lost me in translation, as English is not my native language. There is no question that someone is more or less susceptible. But there is a statistical limit somewhere, isn't it ?
And the example of the orchestra also shows that immense latencies do not torpedo the ability of a perfect overall sound. And those violins runs are fast as hell ;-). I also propagate low latencies. Because I also like to play very fast and I like it. I therefore also recommend analogue wireless and monitors without DSP. And I myself always stay around 8 ms. In principle, we have the same point of view and are arguing about tiny milliseconds? I think that's nonsense.
Btw this is put into perspective when I play IN EAR. You have more room to manoeuvre because the cabinet-to-ear distance is eliminated. If, on the other hand, I were to play IN EAR without latency, it would probably be very strange for me, as I probably played around 3000 gigs with tube amps before I switched to modellers.
A few weeks ago I played several gigs with an unknown IN EAR system for a bigger production. That's was weird because the latency introduced with this system was huge. It was pretty annoying. I guess it was overall 20 ms.
Fortunately, the audience didn't care and the fee was very good. But the feeling was less good.
And that's what I mean by my sports comparison. At the end of the day, it's a tool that a lot of players love and get great results, isn't it?
WRT: For the majority of users <= 10 ms cannot be heard.
I can definitely agree with this as I was right on the edge of this and it definitely didn’t feel immediate at 10ms.
But going from 10ms to 5ms DID feel immediate and that relaxed my brain, if that makes sense.