Chromatizm
Experienced
There is nothing else in the chain. Guitar-FM3-PC via USB.
Nope, just zooming on a waveform!
There is nothing else in the chain. Guitar-FM3-PC via USB.
Nope, just zooming on a waveform!
Sorry, I misread one part of the wiki link. The "cut" part is only in reference to negative values.
Did you record via usb with the simple direct Input-Output chain (two blocks only) or a full preset? You need only In/Out blocks only - if there is an amp/cab in the preset, or any other block , you will not see the proper results. The simple preset will show clipping if the output block has 0dB. The amp will process a sound and make it look like there is no issue. With Input at 0dB and Output at 0dB Abasi's will still clip, even with -18dB padding, when strumming real hard, which happens to me sometimes. I detailed it all in other threads.
There is huge difference in the clarity of their sound when they are not overloading the input of the amp. When you have 0dB on the Input, Abasi's immediately compress and distort a sound, leveling everything and bringing mids forward. Sometimes you want this or don't care (chugging or even legato playing), sometimes you don't. I heard that but for some time was ok with it, and thought that was their intended sound, and compensated the clipping by lowering the level of Output block to avoid clipping on the waveform. I thought it just a normal compression. Well, it is not!
I always felt that Abasi's don't sound "as they should" in my setup. As I can make them sound using real amps. Other pickups were fine, strats etc., but Fishmans were always at least slightly distorted, no matter which amp I play, clean or not. Humbucking setting gives you slight distortion even on amps like Roland JC120 - it is not ok. And I never was able to figure out why, was just saying to myself - well, it is what it is. They are active, so they have limited dynamic range, they are crazy hot, that's why metal guys love them, blah blah - all sorts of excuses.
Until I tried -40dB of the level in the Input block yesterdayThey finally sound GOOD. No, they sound GREAT. Single coil settings are awesome now. Humbucking setting give me good jazz sound instead of that distorted something.
All the amps I was never fully happy with (clean amps) are sounding absolutely amazing with this setting. I'm back to trying all amps again because they just sound totally different, much more pleasing, open, dynamic. And the dynamic range - in-fucking-sane. I will have to learn to play again.
I will set up a Control Switch to jump between -18db input/0dB output and 0dB input/-18dB output and compare. But I already know I will use this as a "solo mode" switch to have the sound compressed for legato when I need it. So many options!
I urge to try. If you don't agree with me, that's ok! I plan to do all my tests again and who knows, maybe soon I will agree with you
Does this issue occur with any guitar you plug in?
If it does, it's probably the
in an less-than-ideal monitoring environment.
It appeared to, however trying some of @Chromatizm 's suggestions seemed to have helped with some of the strange sounds I was (or at least thought I was
) hearing. It may have also been because I was trying to play too loud for my monitors.I think this is probably true for the room I play in - I have noticed that sometimes the sound can get quite boomy, especially if I turn up the volume a bit too much!
The easiest way to find out is to record some sounds and listen to them somewhere else.will continue to play around with the sounds I am getting over the next few days and report back after then
Well, I don't think this is correct, and it's coming not from the opinion, but oh-so-many tests I've did. This is from today, Input pad 18dB, Input and Output block direct connection, 0dB level on both, USB level 1dB (default), playing simple alternate pickup lines, not even hard-hitting the strings:
Well, record and see for yourself
And once you've add a drive before the amp, you'll get close to normal output in the recording. On the left is -40dB in the Input block with 18dB padding, on the right is 0dB in the Input/Output, Atomica High from EVH preset:
Does the input indicator on the FM3 hit the red with the 18dB pad for you?Well, I don't think this is correct, and it's coming not from the opinion, but oh-so-many tests I've did. This is from today, Input pad 18dB, Input and Output block direct connection, 0dB level on both, USB level 1dB (default), playing simple alternate pickup lines, not even hard-hitting the strings:
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You can see not only clipping, but that some samples are actually lost via USB connection. I trust you when you say you don't see it "when properly set up", but that's not my experience.
Well, record and see for yourself
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Anyway, the only usable Input block level with Abasi's for me seem to be -4dB in the Input block with 18dB global pad setting. Anything else clips.
Actually, this setting also clips if you start chugging, but for alternate picking lines this is the only setting not clipping:
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I'm ready to hear my tests are not correct, but then I'd need an explanation what's wrong, so I can re-do them properly.
I'm mostly confused by why you're analyzing the input through an output at all when you can just record the DI straight from the input block. When I connect Out 1 to In1 it's drastically louder than if I just record a DI using Input 3 in my DAW (raw DI from Input1 block). Three guitars with fishmans in my house: HSS Classics, HH Classics, and HH Moderns; none of them are clipping as you describe.Well, I don't think this is correct, and it's coming not from the opinion, but oh-so-many tests I've did. This is from today, Input pad 18dB, Input and Output block direct connection, 0dB level on both, USB level 1dB (default), playing simple alternate pickup lines, not even hard-hitting the strings:
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You can see not only clipping, but that some samples are actually lost via USB connection. I trust you when you say you don't see it "when properly set up", but that's not my experience.
Well, record and see for yourself
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Anyway, the only usable Input block level with Abasi's for me seem to be -4dB in the Input block with 18dB global pad setting. Anything else clips.
Actually, this setting also clips if you start chugging, but for alternate picking lines this is the only setting not clipping:
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I'm ready to hear my tests are not correct, but then I'd need an explanation what's wrong, so I can re-do them properly.
Nope, never
I'd need instructions how to do that please. Not sure how to set up devices to get there.
Yep, many people thought the same before the clipping indicator was introduced in Axe3. I provided you with the links to those discussions, but if you don't want to read them, here's a TL
R quote:So if I'm correct with my assumptions or not, I think we'll learn only when FM3 gets input clip warning too.
Nope, never
Even 0dB pad with a single-coil mode will not flash red unless I strum really heavy
But when recording Input to Output, you can see there is no dynamics with 0dB pad, it's always brick-walled from the sides. 6dB pad and other two settings have normal dynamic. That's just some funk playing and a few licks with 0dB pad:
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If I play heavier, the peaks will be shorter (no idea why it that) and completely flat.
So it might seem that we don't need padding at all if we just play lightly some licks and not chug away, but I don't know, man, I'm confused
I'd need instructions how to do that please. Not sure how to set up devices to get there.
Yep, many people thought the same before the clipping indicator was introduced in Axe3. I provided you with the links to those discussions, but if you don't want to read them, here's a TL
So if I'm correct with my assumptions or not, I think we'll learn only when FM3 gets input clip warning too.
Nope, never
Even 0dB pad with a single-coil mode will not flash red unless I strum really heavy
But when recording Input to Output, you can see there is no dynamics with 0dB pad, it's always brick-walled from the sides. 6dB pad and other two settings have normal dynamic. That's just some funk playing and a few licks with 0dB pad:
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If I play heavier, the peaks will be shorter (no idea why it that) and completely flat.
So it might seem that we don't need padding at all if we just play lightly some licks and not chug away, but I don't know, man, I'm confused
I'd need instructions how to do that please. Not sure how to set up devices to get there.
Yep, many people thought the same before the clipping indicator was introduced in Axe3. I provided you with the links to those discussions, but if you don't want to read them, here's a TL
So if I'm correct with my assumptions or not, I think we'll learn only when FM3 gets input clip warning too.
No, I change batteries twice a week
Playing too much!
Try Reaper, it's easy as can be in Reaper. I'm really curious to see your results. Make sure all inputs are enabled in DAW too.
The guitar is on 12-16h/a day, I never take the cable out even if it just sits on a stand, so I never wait until it's fully drawn. 4-5 days and I change it no matter if it still sounds good to me. I hate to change it during a playing session, so I just swap it in the morning. It's a habit already.
Got it, thank you. The track is recording In 3 [In 1 L or In 2 L]. Is this correct? I would think so as I have Input1 as the only block on the grid now, connected to nothing. I just noticed it has -6dB on it, but I hope it matters not for DI.
My Abasis barely ever even flash the red light, so they're constantly at least below -6db. There is literally no way that they're clipping the converter.
