So I just bought a Helix...first impressions...

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I'll post a more detailed review and comparison (maybe even a few direct AxeFx II XL+ and Helix clips using the same model types...Twin, JCM-800, AC-30, etc.) after I've spent some more time with it over the weekend but my initial impressions seem to echo some of what I've been reading.

It's a sturdy piece of equipment...definitely a step up from previous Line 6 products. The scribble tags and display are super helpful...I mainly got this unit to replace my Boss GT-100 in my songwriting room (the AxeFx is my rehearsal room/live rig) and to use as an external effects unit for sit-in and session gigs where I'm going to need to be able to edit effects quickly and easily without an external editor. I have an FX-8 and it sounds awesome but I prefer it for live use where all my editing and tweaking is done beforehand. I think the Helix is a great step up from the GT-100 in terms of ease of use and editing, but the Fender amp models on the GT-100 (which I feel were it's bread and butter) sound better to me than the Helix. I got the GT-100 because I liked it's models a lot better than the HD-500 (which I returned after a few weeks). The Helix models are better than the HD-500 but the GT-100's Fender models still sound better. Of course neither of them hold a candle to the AxeFx Fender models which I was able to create spot on versions of my Fender amp collection with (including the modded ones).

The effects like modulation, delay, reverb, etc. are very good and are very easy to use. The distortion effects are better than the M-Series with the cleaner ones like compression and low to mid gain sounding the best of the lot. The distortions are nowhere near as good as the ones in the AxeFx though. AxeFx distortions compare very favorably to the pedals they actually model. The Line 6 distortions that do sound good do so without really sounding like the boxes they have set out to model...the ones that don't sound good sound really bad to me.

The modeling, as I've already mentioned, is a noticeable improvement over the HD series but still sound off and feel unnatural. There are definitely usable tones in there that you might want to overdub with, but nothing in there you'd want to base your entire sound on. With the AxeFx I feel I get the tones and feel I want for live performance and recording.

So in my mind and for a specific task I have the Helix so far seems like a great device...I see it as a really great effects unit with a few good clean amp models thrown in as a courtesy for direct recording, song writing sessions, headphone practice, etc. that is super easy to use and that you can edit on the fly without much hassle. As an effects unit it may seem like a lot of money but when you factor in the cost of three Strymon MIDI enabled pedals or three or four Eventide pedals (and some of the effects in here easily compare to those units), and a controller the cost doesn't seem so high...especially when you factor in the ease of use and setup, the Helix really starts to look like an exceptional value. The ability to plug a Variax directly into it with a CAT5 cable and save and control it's settings from the Helix is also very cool and it may prompt me to pick up a Variax Standard to further simplify songwriting sessions where I frequently use different guitars and alternate tunings.

People needing really great amp modeling as the foundation of their sound or who want to have a library of really accurate amp models will probably want to look elsewhere. Folks in need of a solidly built, easy to use, high quality effects unit with decent sounding courtesy amp models when they need them will find a lot to like here.
 
I'm sure if it's not helpful it will get deleted or moved. I own an AxeFx II XL+, an MFC-101, a couple of Fractal expression pedals and an FX-8. I'm very happy with them.

I also own a Helix.

I'm not a gear fascist.

I know some Fractal users have been curious about Helix and thought they might find the information and insights from someone who owns both helpful. If not, I'm happy to delete it.
 
It was a nice review and doesn't need to be deleted. But it probably should have been posted in the lounge is all, since it's not "Axe-Fx II Discussion."

I'm sure a mod will move it, so you don't need to do anything. It's just off topic for the sub forum you put it in.
 
It was a nice review and doesn't need to be deleted. But it probably should have been posted in the lounge is all, since it's not "Axe-Fx II Discussion."

I'm sure a mod will move it, so you don't need to do anything. It's just off topic for the sub forum you put it in.

Thanks. When I make AxeFx/Helix comparison clips should I just post them here (we're in the Lounge now) or is that AxeFx relevant since it has AxeFx clips in it and less general?
 
I'm sure if it's not helpful it will get deleted or moved. I own an AxeFx II XL+, an MFC-101, a couple of Fractal expression pedals and an FX-8. I'm very happy with them.

I also own a Helix.

I'm not a gear fascist.

I know some Fractal users have been curious about Helix and thought they might find the information and insights from someone who owns both helpful. If not, I'm happy to delete it.
let's keep it here..I'm in the same boat as you, just happy to live in a time where these amazing, evolutionary products are available to own, compare and combine. If one has the means (or obsessive need). I agree with you on the relative merits of the Helix, and the really extensive routing / IO capabilities make it worth keeping (I almost returned mine immediately when I I heard how obviously inferior the amps and cabs were to my Fractal gear) but drop a Quantum amp into one of the several FX loops on Helix, or control several modeler/amps at once opens up All kindsa fun...........
 
let's keep it here..I'm in the same boat as you, just happy to live in a time where these amazing, evolutionary products are available to own, compare and combine. If one has the means (or obsessive need). I agree with you on the relative merits of the Helix, and the really extensive routing / IO capabilities make it worth keeping (I almost returned mine immediately when I I heard how obviously inferior the amps and cabs were to my Fractal gear) but drop a Quantum amp into one of the several FX loops on Helix, or control several modeler/amps at once opens up All kindsa fun...........


Turns out my local Guitar Center has one last Variax Standard in stock. I'm going to hop on down there right now and pick it up.

It would be cool to see Fractal develop guitar modeling that you can drop into most Fender or Gibson style guitars with a little routing for the electronics. :)
 
This should be in the Lounge, I do not come here to read about nonFAS products; I already own the best product on the planet, not shopping anytime soon.
Personally I'm very happy to read an objective review. It's up to FAS how they want to segment the forum, and hence where a review should go. I use an Axe FX because that's the route I chose to buy into at the time that I had to make a choice. I accept that other products exist. "Better" or "worse" is a value judgement, based on whatever values are important to you. Much more relevant is where the whole market moves to. Each product development challenges competitors to respond. There have been a number of posts in recent months where players have gone back to valves, and realised that the Axe FX was actually more suitable for their needs. I'm happy that the Helix has arrived. It's not a direct competitor to the Axe FX, rather it helps enlarge the whole market, meaning that FAS sells more units and can afford more developments for us.
 
Try putting the LA studio comp at rhe end of the chain for clean amps like the Fenders. A good IR will improve it a lot as well.
 
There are definitely usable tones in there that you might want to overdub with, but nothing in there you'd want to base your entire sound on.

People needing really great amp modeling as the foundation of their sound or who want to have a library of really accurate amp models will probably want to look elsewhere.


Do you not like the tone at 4:25 in this video?



Not one amp model is any good? I don't like them all on either platform.

If you're going to do side by side recordings, use the same IR for the same amp model on both. Side by sides of modelers don't mean much. Compare the model to the amp that was modeled if you're to use the word accurate.
 
Do you not like the tone at 4:25 in this video?



Not one amp model is any good? I don't like them all on either platform.

If you're going to do side by side recordings, use the same IR for the same amp model on both. Side by sides of modelers don't mean much. Compare the model to the amp that was modeled if you're to use the word accurate.

at 4:25, there is no more video.
 
I always get confused by these threads. If I want information on the competition, I go to the competition website/forum or a general forum like TGP or Rig-talk. I'm gonna go over to the line 6 forum and give them a review of my AX8 right now, I know they are going to want to know every facet, They will also love all my pedalboard pictures, because it's a great product and every one needs to know this, I mean everyone. I'll be right back...
 
I always get confused by these threads. If I want information on the competition, I go to the competition website/forum or a general forum like TGP or Rig-talk. I'm gonna go over to the line 6 forum and give them a review of my AX8 right now, I know they are going to want to know every facet, They will also love all my pedalboard pictures, because it's a great product and every one needs to know this, I mean everyone. I'll be right back...

I wouldn't expect a L6 user there to be truly objective (even if the bias is unrecognized by the person writing the review) about the AX8 just I don't expect someone who has owned a Fractal product to be truly objective about a competitor's product. I think we've seen that in droves on all the boards, so I guess ultimately I don't see the point either.
 
I'm sure if it's not helpful it will get deleted or moved. I own an AxeFx II XL+, an MFC-101, a couple of Fractal expression pedals and an FX-8. I'm very happy with them.

I also own a Helix.

I'm not a gear fascist.

I know some Fractal users have been curious about Helix and thought they might find the information and insights from someone who owns both helpful. If not, I'm happy to delete it.
I don't think you understand what fascism is.
 
I'm sure if it's not helpful it will get deleted or moved. I own an AxeFx II XL+, an MFC-101, a couple of Fractal expression pedals and an FX-8. I'm very happy with them.

I also own a Helix.

I'm not a gear fascist.

I know some Fractal users have been curious about Helix and thought they might find the information and insights from someone who owns both helpful. If not, I'm happy to delete it.

I owned a Helix for a couple of weeks. I would agree with the posters review of the unit, although I think I liked it a bit less then he did. It's a beautiful piece of gear with a killer interface, but the sound just didn't do it for me. I giged my FX8 both Friday and Saturday night at a Casino. After a few hiccups, it went very well and I'm quite happy with the FX8.
 
I always get confused by these threads. If I want information on the competition, I go to the competition website/forum or a general forum like TGP or Rig-talk. I'm gonna go over to the line 6 forum and give them a review of my AX8 right now, I know they are going to want to know every facet, They will also love all my pedalboard pictures, because it's a great product and every one needs to know this, I mean everyone. I'll be right back...
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