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Nah, I've already done it...Bottom line, it doesn't sound the same.
...tell us what's wrong with it.
Nah, I've already done it...Bottom line, it doesn't sound the same.
...tell us what's wrong with it.
I only listened to the section that is cued up (where he is strumming and talking). If it is not distant-miced, then this section has a large amount of room reverb on it, which again, makes an accurate tone match impossible. Perhaps the rest of the video has isolated close-mic or direct guitar with no effects or backing music. Even then, you'd have to duplicate his playing exactly. And most of all, you'd have to want to. Tone matching an existing recording is never as easy as tone matching a rig to which you have access.Incorrect.
This is what it ultimately comes down to. A random room miked guitar signal ripped from a VHS from the 90s. There's all kinds of phasy "stuff "that an EQ will not make up for.And the video you posted was recorded with a distant camcorder mic. There is no way to accurately tone match such a recording.
Turns out the audio in the clip is apparently recorded close and/or direct. But the section I heard, if not distant miced, had a lot of room reverb on it, which yields the same result. I jumped around the clip a bit, and only heard sections with effects and/or backing tracks. Plus, you'd have to play the same parts with the same timing to even get close. Not practical.This is what it ultimately comes down to. A random room miked guitar signal ripped from a VHS from the 90s. There's all kinds of phasy "stuff "that an EQ will not make up for.
@Brock I thought we'd be comparing the Axe-Fx to your real Triaxis already.
I had two Triaxis units (still have one), but never used Dynamic Voice. When I compared them to the Triaxis models in the Axe using the same IRs, I was hard-pressed to tell the difference. If I had used Dynamic Voice, I may have had a harder time.
Nah, I've already done it. I've copied it setting for setting. I've tried a variety of @ML SOUND LAB's IRs. I've done a tone match using Cliff's tone matching guide.
Bottom line, it doesn't sound the same.
The original owner of the Triaxis I just bought, a very capable Axe-Fx, user did the same directly prior to selling the unit and he agrees. See https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/how-to-tone-match-pre-gain-differences.124512/#post-1485278
This is something that I've gone into in super scientific detail multiple times. For me it's always been the Petrucci Recto sound and I felt like I could never get it with the Axe-Fx. Well... I bought a Mesa Single Recto, Dual Recto and Roadster and couldn't get the Petrucci Recto sound with those real amps either. The realization was that the sound I was comparing the real amps to was a live recording where different factors come to play. The reality is that when you have the real amp right next to you and the Axe-Fx right next to it and shoot and IR out of your mic-up you can match the real amp quite easily WITHOUT ANY TONE MATCHING. This clip is a real Mark IV compared to the Axe-Fx USA Lead running the first Quantum firmware:
I'm not saying it's 100%. But I'd say that it's so close that an average person wouldn't even notice a change in sound. The Mark series amps are really close to the Triaxis. I doubt the Triaxis will be way off either when compared to the real thing. But.. we need to be comparing the Axe-Fx side by side to the real thing with audio clips.
The Petrucci sound I always wanted was the Budokan tone obviously (and only because John had the best hair):
This is pretty much the same situation IMO. Sometimes I hear these awesome sounding clips on YouTube recorded with mobile phone camera mics etc. that have a certain growl or emphasis on the palm mute etc. The thing is, these tones would never sound professional in a real mix. The Budokan sound would sound horrible in a studio recording. In my most humblest opinion I doubt the MI Petrucci sound would be the best sound in a mix either. Both have the same nasally character to them that I'm starting to think is a trick live engineers use for making a guitar cut through. Neither are anywhere near to being a raw amp sound. Multiple mics, FOH settings and at least in the case of Budokan it was mixed at a pro studio afterwards and most likely EQ'd heavily. What I'm getting at here is that if the Axe-Fx sounded like that out of the box most people would say the Axe-Fx sounds broken. My advice: do not compare these sounds to each other. They're not comparable.
Now I've talked about this thing with @Brock for.. probably years already right? And it's the chugg attack where he feels the Axe-Fx is lacking. I personally feel like that has everything to do with the power amp modeling and fine tuning it. Back in Quantum 1 I narrowed it down to setting the master level to 4. I'm sure some of the advanced settings could help us out but which settings? That's the real question. For some reason people seem to recommend pre low cut but that sacrifices the low end of your guitar sound completely. Which knob is the sag tightness knob?
Sometimes I hear these awesome sounding clips on YouTube recorded with mobile phone camera mics etc. that have a certain growl or emphasis on the palm mute etc. The thing is, these tones would never sound professional in a real mix. The Budokan sound would sound horrible in a studio recording. In my most humblest opinion I doubt the MI Petrucci sound would be the best sound in a mix either. Both have the same nasally character to them that I'm starting to think is a trick live engineers use for making a guitar cut through. Neither are anywhere near to being a raw amp sound. Multiple mics, FOH settings and at least in the case of Budokan it was mixed at a pro studio afterwards and most likely EQ'd heavily. What I'm getting at here is that if the Axe-Fx sounded like that out of the box most people would say the Axe-Fx sounds broken. My advice: do not compare these sounds to each other. They're not comparable.
Now I've talked about this thing with @Brock for.. probably years already right? And it's the chugg attack where he feels the Axe-Fx is lacking. I personally feel like that has everything to do with the power amp modeling and fine tuning it. Back in Quantum 1 I narrowed it down to setting the master level to 4. I'm sure some of the advanced settings could help us out but which settings? That's the real question. For some reason people seem to recommend pre low cut but that sacrifices the low end of your guitar sound completely. Which knob is the sag tightness knob?
And a very effective trick it is.Both have the same nasally character to them that I'm starting to think is a trick live engineers use for making a guitar cut through.
Yup.. I once posted a video of preferring the Axe Ultra over the Kemper and.... I had to delete that video. Never ever ever ever question the Kemper in front of Kemper users.
True true!The same is true for us FAS-aficionados. Don't you dare criticizing the holy AxeFX around here