Tons of great tones can be had with a single cab. This notion that "without frfr you might as well not even bother" just needs to die because it's not true and it's never been true.The moment you plug your modeler into a poweramp and single cab you have just made it pointless to have 300 amp models. The different cabs, speaker models etc are huge part of why those amp models sound the way they do. Just try keeping the same IR and rolling through the amp models and you will find they don't sound the same but they do exhibit a lot more similarities.
Um, no. I'm not talking about Fractal making an amp in the $200-300 range. It would still be ~$1000.00-$1500.00~ or so, presumably. I
Think about this: the FM3 and FM9 already have headphone jacks. This would just add a power section and speakers to make it a combo.
Yeah just like the glut of Floor boards... almost as many of those out there as there are stars in the sky, yet FAS built a few anyway. I think the point that's trying to be made is that there is a market for it! just like there is a market for $6,000 PRS and Suhr guitars! If a quality product from FAS is built it would sell.Both JHS and Wampler did their own amp to be the perfect pedal platform for their line of pedals.
I think Cliff knows best, and there is a glut on the marketplace. Servicing and warranty for a line
of amps like that can make it a net loss unless you have massive volume.
There's no way that would happen at that price point not with a quality piece. A well built SS 300 watt combo unit that has the functionality of the FM9 would be retailing somewhere in the 3k price range. I would think it would be aimed at the boutique amp marketplace.1000-1500? So you're saying, not only sell the tech of the FM9 base unit, but add in a quality power amp, and a quality speaker, commit yourself to warranty on these items and increase your stocking levels for all the new components, and then somehow sell it all for less than the current retail of 1599 on the FM9 by itself. Maybe this is why they don't do it.
I think the point that's trying to be made is that there is a market for it!
I hate Behringer gear in general. Back in the mid-2000's, I really wanted a Line 6 POD 2.0. Well, Behringer had the competing V-Amp. The POD retailed for $249.00 while the V-Amp was only $149.00 and also included a carrying case. Since the wife and I were struggling financially at the time, I REALLY wanted to love the V-Amp for the price difference.Tonally, it is on par with Behringer's "modeling" that they stole from somewhere
and repackaged.
I was just speculating when I started the thread. I really don't know the ins and outs of the market, so I have no basis for any real argument.Seems someone with all the clout disagrees.
It probably would sell, but would it be at a margin and volume that would make the
endeavour worth it?
You also have startup costs to recoup on those margins. Not as easy as to pull off as
creating a wishful thinking thread, or replying in that thread.
No, because you don't have the footswitches of the FM3 and FM9 in a combo. So now you'd have to get an FC-6 or FC-12 as well.Um, no. I'm not talking about Fractal making an amp in the $200-300 range. It would still be ~$1000.00-$1500.00~ or so, presumably. I'm talking strictly about size and form factor here. It could be the size of the Spark or maybe the Yamaha THX series, and maybe have 20-50 watts output power. But when you hook it to the PA or power amp/monitor rig of your choice, it behaves like the current FM3 or FM9.
Think about this: the FM3 and FM9 already have headphone jacks. This would just add a power section and speakers to make it a combo.
I see. Yeah, that would definitely add to the expense.No, because you don't have the footswitches of the FM3 and FM9 in a combo. So now you'd have to get an FC-6 or FC-12 as well.
Right. So a chopped down FM9 (no switches) maybe $1100, power amp another $500, speaker + enclosure, etc another $400, FC-6 another $550. Total $2550, and that's for a mono combo. Add another $900 for a second powered cab for stereo and you're at $3450. Oops, make that $3449.99I see. Yeah, that would definitely add to the expense.
Cliff has been known to change his mind so that said nothing is ever really off the table.Seems someone with all the clout disagrees.
It probably would sell, but would it be at a margin and volume that would make the
endeavour worth it?
You also have startup costs to recoup on those margins. Not as easy as to pull off as
creating a wishful thinking thread, or replying in that thread.
Hey, I was only off by about $1500.00. Maybe I should work for government accounting.Right. So a chopped down FM9 (no switches) maybe $1100, power amp another $500, speaker + enclosure, etc another $400, FC-6 another $550. Total $2550, and that's for a mono combo. Add another $900 for a second powered cab for stereo and you're at $3450. Oops, make that $3449.99
This. I've played guitar for many years, and I love the sounds I hear from the video demos of the fractal. But when I see a bazillion options for monitors, power amps, and so on, it appears like a daunting task to get the sound I want. Some even say that the 4CM method across my Marshall won't sound that good.Dedicated powered FR FR cabs from fractal with software support in the axe would be a no brainer and sell to at least half fractal users.
Cliff could then produce "amp in the room" patches and setting for those that wanted that and we could all hear each others settings with the expectation that they would translate. Third party patches would even sound as they were written. I see no justification for not making these and it would not effect the existing product beyond a firmware update. They could even produce a head shell case with a power conditioner built in to power the whole system mono or stereo. This would have no negative effect on how anyone uses the existing hardware as they wouldn't need to change.
The "profit" matter would be strictly up to them and what they want to charge for it. No one is saying that it has to compete on price.Low profit margin, saturated market.
What you hear in the videos is usually recorded direct. And if it is recorded with a mic, what mic was used, what pre-amp, etc? How much did that affect the recording? There are so many variables.If I could very simply just BUY AN AMP that will give me what I hear in the videos, I would be interested.
Let's say they offer a small 40-watt combo. If I see a video of a patch being played on the same combo and recorded with a mic and not direct, I don't think it's a stretch to expect it to sound about the same on my identical combo.
I understand what you're saying, but most amp videos are pretty true to what I hear when I play that amp in real life.What you hear in the videos is usually recorded direct. And if it is recorded with a mic, what mic was used, what pre-amp, etc? How much did that affect the recording? There are so many variables.
A 40 watt SS amp? My wife has one and it would get obliterated in a band setup.
But the dedicated software possibilities would make it different. There are plenty of other modellers and fractal didn't come up with this solution so this is a bad reason not to make a dedicated FR FR.Tiny profit margin. Crappy supply chain. Lots of competition. Fractal is unlikely to improve on what is already out there. Would it be as good as something that’s out there but with a fractal logo on it? Yes.