What are you using for sustain?

Alternately, install a Sustainiac or Fernandes Sustainer in your guitar.

By the way, is it just me, or did Brad Gillis appear a little coked-up in that video?
 
I've had casino gigs with silent stages (IEM's electronic kit etc). Not fun. Best situation was Bally's in AC, they had an Aviom system but the tech would get you up and running then you wouldn't see him til your sets were done. If you pull out one of your ears you can barely tell the PA was on. I avoid those gigs as much as possible, not a lot you can do except take the $ and run.
 
brianv4 said:
He said "front of house signal only"
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Yes... I can read ;)

Sometimes the "rules" are stated a bit broadly.

So, for example, does that mean electronic drums only? In other words, silent stage... If not a small personal monitor can provide volume enough for sustain even when not very loud.
 
unix-guy said:
Can you run a small personal monitor or is it a totally silent stage? Something you can point towards your pickups?
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No, can't have any monitors, totally silent stage. It's not that big of a deal but with the processing power of the AxIII I'm guessing somebody may have designed a patch that would get the 90% solution.
 
Nuclearfishin said:
No, can't have any monitors, totally silent stage. It's not that big of a deal but with the processing power of the AxIII I'm guessing somebody may have designed a patch that would get the 90% solution.
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That singing, reinforcing sustain requires a feedback path from your gear back to your guitar. Without that path, there can be no 90% solution. :(

The Sustainiac and Fernandes Sustainer provide a feedback path to give you that 90% solution. You could also experiment with a very small speaker mounted face-down on the back of your headstock or guitar body and connected to a very small power amp. That would be quiet enough to be inaudible to FOH.

If FOH is using center fills, you could also ask if they'd let you turn one around to point at you.
 
I found adding a T808 OD, in front of the amp, using minimum drive (1), adjust tone to suit, 100% mix, adjust level to suit, to just push the amp really gave me the gain I wanted, without having to turn the volume up. I have sustain forever through my in ears. And on stage it is perfect and manageable.
 
I feel like Mark had a preset about a year ago where when hitting an IA switch the note lasted forever..........
 
Nuclearfishin said:
I should have clarified in my original post, I have good gear (R8, Anderson, etc), and some good heads (Two Rock, Mesa, etc), my main issue is playing through the AxeFx and using iem's for live gigs. For example, the local casino requires iems and front of house signal only. How do you set your patches to get good sustain without the volume feedback loop?
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That's a much better way to phrase the question. Thank you!

Please add the "defying the laws of physics" block to your presets. LOL.

Joking aside, try a compressor, set as a sustainer, in the front of your preset. For me, that means an output level boost, fast attack, slow-ish release, a threshold set below the point where your notes would fall off, and low ratio (set as needed to balance loss of dynamics with desired sustain). Watch the meter and you'll see the level rise as the note decays. You should be able to turn the compressor on and off without too much effect while playing chords, but if you toggle it on and off while the note is in a long decay phase, you should hear its effect to boost the tail.
 
Is it possible to create a feedback loop in the axe’s routing chain that could be triggered on/off by a momentary switch? If possible, I suspect there is another problem to solve about not clipping the output, but in my mind this seems possible?
 
jdolll said:
Is it possible to create a feedback loop in the axe’s routing chain that could be triggered on/off by a momentary switch? If possible, I suspect there is another problem to solve about not clipping the output, but in my mind this seems possible?
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You can create feedback loops in the Axe. Bloody hard to control, though. And potentially speaker-damaging.
 
Ugh, this has been a challenge for my co-lead guitar player and me in our Boston tribute band. We use AX8s direct with IEMs and no speakers on stage. We recently found out that Boston goes direct as well. Tom Scholz stands in front of a wedge cabinet during sound check until he finds the spot where the notes will sing forever. He then has a stage hand mark that spot. We like to move around way more than Tom ever does and lugging speakers is something we've been happy to avoid. We both purchased the Freqout pedal and it does a decent job mimicking natural feedback. It will never replicate what "volume" does but it gives us an option. As mentioned in an earlier post, when the note begins to die, a very ugly synth breaking up sound occurs. Knowing that one can't defy the laws of physics, we're hoping that Fractal can innovate a solution for the many of us that no longer use speakers live and put it into one of the blocks.
 
Admin M@ said:
There's also this. Imagine a dedicated output with an EQ just on the kicker? You'd probably also want a micro-delay to compensate for phase differences.

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There is no need to go so crazyo_O . I've got eternal sustain at my bedroom-studio, at very low volume, by placing a small Bluetooth speaker between the guitar and my body (while sitting at the chair)
 
I realize this doesn’t help, but does the venue noted by the OP also require towels shoved into saxophones and trumpets?
 
Rex said:
That singing, reinforcing sustain requires a feedback path from your gear back to your guitar. Without that path, there can be no 90% solution. :(.......
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Without air pushing the string, it is going to stop vibrating. Anything in the signal path (Freeze pedal, etc) just isn't going to sound the same, or natural. If you really can't rig up some sort of speaker (personal wedge, small wireless speaker on your person, etc), then using lots of aggressive vibrato might keep the string ringing a bit longer. Couple that with compressors, drive pedals, etc, and it might be enough. Also, you might try using the "hold" function with a delay or reverb on a control switch to create a "freeze" like effect. Search for "freeze pedal fractal" or similar and you will find some tutorials and examples.
 
I have one of these and it's amazing, takes a bit to get used to but gives very natural sounding sustain, even when playing on headphones. The guy in the video is using AxeFX :)

I also have an EBow and the Gamechanger Plus pedal, those are great too but the Vibesware Resonator gives the closest thing to actual amp feedback.

 
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