We Lost a Long Time Moderator?

I liked jay's responses most of the time as I found them to be knowledgable and to the point. I've had a few run ins with him though. I came to his defense once and he jumped down my throat saying I clearly didn't understand him, his business, or what he was trying to say. He added that he did not need my stamp of approval nor anybody elses on this forum. He was getting hung up on individual words in my post rather than the message. it's difficult to effectively communicate with a person that will dedicate multiple posts to pick apart your usage of a specific word rather than try to understand it in context. I simply just backed away and decided my forum experience would be better if I steered clear of people that insult others that were only trying to help. It's a shame such a talented and well educated man feels it's necessary to spit vitriol at everybody around him.
 
He had an argue with Cliff about the usefullnes of 2048 tab Cab-IRs - that was the last thread I read.

I liked Jay - he was so funny ;)




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At least this thread does not disappear overnight like the last one.

As I said the last time I think it is a pity that Jay is not around here anymore. Despite all the discussions he got into he did contribute a lot to the forum
in terms of knowledge and IR's.

I understand that his attitude and way of communicating can be difficult for some, on the other hand he almost always tried to pass on information
in a clear and precise way. He deserves credit for that. There are areas with the Axe and FRFR where he's an expert.

I almost exclusively use his IR's and learned really a lot from some of his posts.

Jens
 
Maybe Jay needed a rest from Internet Forums. There was a thread over on the Gear Page
very recently where Jay and a Gear Page member went at it for over 3 pages, over a single
post Jay disagreed with, completely taking over, and derailing the thread. Obscuring all other
contributors with their unceasing feud. It left me unsettled to read. It seemed to border
on psychosis.

Hope he gets some rest, and maybe a more relaxed perspective. No one ever doubted
his expertise.
 
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I think its unfortunate if he will no longer be posting. I learned a lot from his posts, and far more so than from any other user on the forum. It is a rare occasion that I pick an IR that isn't one of his. I don't care if he's as blunt as blunt can be - his advice improved my tone, and learning to improve my tone is the only reason I read this forum.
 
I found the problem with J was he wouldnt give an inch - and while what he says "technically" is/was correct, he seemed to assume everyone had access to the $1000s woth of speakers, and amplification he did. for most of us what he taked about wasnt achievable. He failed - constantly - to realise this and actually give meaningfull coments that we could work with. Even if he clarrified it with its "negatives" - or "you wont get the best" or some such comment - that would have been helpfull.

Example - he told many many people an FRFR system is better than a power amp and cab - and also that SS amps were prefereable to valve ones with the Axe. Technically hes correct on both counts - providing you can afford the system that does it properly. For most of us its out of reach. If a valve power amp into a cab sounds better to US that a SS amp - or an FRFR system in our price range, then that is the correct choice - Jay never saw that.

Just one example of many - but still. ill miss him - as an Electronics Tech nowhere near his standard i appreciated some of his insites into the POSSIBLE, while not actually appreciating his degrogatory comments on what was ACHIEVABLE for most.
 
Jay Mitchell's posts was one of the main reasons I came everyday to this forum. I've learned a lot from him, IMHO the 3 best Axe (I&II) IRs are Jay's, and I think his contribution to the forum was huge. I know some people didn't like his way of explaining things, but he was always helpful and willing to share his knowledge. This forum is poorer without him.
 
The posts were entertaining, as long as you weren't a participant. Not my idea of a people person. I'm sure he's still lurking here, using a different identity.
 
If anybody out there misses Jay so much you can feel free to email him. He's not dead.

There are plenty of other very smart contributors here that we can all learn from.
 
I miss his posts here. I learned a ton from them. I was on the receiving end of a comment from him whose tone I didn't like. It was part of the package. He's a "fact" based guy and nothing is more important than that. It takes obsessive types like that to do some things in the world and I was happy to learn from him even if it was unlikely to want to hang out.

Personally I don't think it matters a bit how he plays (or anyone else does) in relation to the contribution he can make. He clearly knows his stuff with regard to speakers and sound and good sound is what we're hopefully all after here. I have no idea what kind of guitar player Leo Fender was, but I'd listen to what he had to say about amplification with great interest. I know many people achieved sounds I love using tools he and his company developed.

Count me as one who misses Jay's posts. I did read that TGP thread that was referred to earlier and it seemed pretty ridiculous and obsessive. I didn't have to read it all, but there was something fascinating about it even as it made me want to stay a million miles away.
 
I was both directly and indirectly the beneficiary of many of Jay's posts. I completely appreciate the technical expertise he brought to the table and have integrated many of his processes and techniques into my patch creation and audio engineering approaches. That said, IMHO let me give you my take on the situation. I'm a software applications specialist for an ERP system. Although I focus on the financial modules and therefore spend most of my time talking with CEOs and CFOs, I do end up in meetings with engineers every once in awhile. My personal experience has been that engineers are generally a breed unto themselves. They are (again generally) extremely details-oriented people and can drill down a subject to its lowest level. That's great. However, they sometimes (and please don't flame me because I know not ALL engineers are like this) they fail to grasp the larger picture because they drown in the details. The old expression 'tripping over dollars to pick up dimes' comes into play here. I can't count the number of times a meeting has gotten derailed by arguments over insignificant details and hurt feelings. Things get nasty quickly and people start sniping at each other.

My point is that the best organizations I have consulted or worked for understand the different skill-sets (as can mitigate the deficiencies) that each functional group brings to the table. I have found that typically the best scenario is to pair a details-minded engineer with a globally-minded moderator that can diffuse a tense situation and get the discussion back on track. And that is what I ultimately hope could happen here. Because I see a strong need for Jay's expertise here on this forum. And would strongly appreciate his return as a technical expert.
 
IMO it sucks that Jay's outta here. He did a lot more good then harm. I didn't get the feeling he would do much to promote sales of the II though.. like when he posted that comparison clip thread where no one could tell the diff between gens. Maybe that factored in? :eek:

I never did get around to trying the Mitchell foam donut trick on a guitar cab.. that was one amazing thread on TGP. If Ted Weber had the smarts to come up with that donut idea, everyone would have to buy it from him for 50 bucks per cone and it would have been called the Beam Blocker II. Jay's typed words piss people off too often, but then he just gives away valuable knowledge like that totally free.
 
Wow, a lot of responses overnight! I'm not on the forum with any regularity and it sounds like I simply missed out on some controversy that resulted in Jay leaving or being asked to leave. So be it.

Thanks all for the info.

boogie
 
My first interaction with Jay involved me trying to debate him (over at TGP) on how emotion affects buying decisions. After a few pages I got a PM from Alan Phillips of Carol Ann amps to effect of, "Let the Wookie win". Best advice I have ever gotten on the Internet.

Reading his posts, I often wished he would ease off a little, but he never would. He would be so much more respected if he would show a little humility or friendliness.

I never caught him out with a factual error that I could prove, and I'm not aware of anyone else who did either. The foam donut vs beam blocker debates were legendary.

Anyway, for low gain, his G12H IR is my go-to cab. I gained a lot of respect for him when I found out he did that one ....

JWW
 
I think most of the heartache came from people reading their emotions into Jay's posts. If you just read them for what they were without injecting your emotions then they take on a different meaning. Having met Jay I can say that he's a great guy and seems always willing to help. Whether or not people liked what he had to say is another story. You can't deny he talked in facts alone. Some people can't handle that and took it for something more.

Jay created IR's of my favorite cab. He was gracious, pleasant to talk to and work with all the time. His knowledge was incredible and a resource to be missed.
 
I learned a lot from Jay and miss his contributions, a great loss. I even think every internet forum can use a contributor like him to have more bias toward knowledge, facts and science vs. the all-too-common unsubstantiated personal opinion or snake oil presented as facts and science.
 
Jay was an asset to the forum, Thank God for different personalities even if some rub your fur the wrong way. Sometimes thats the best thing that can happen because it makes you back up and think..... well at least after your blood presure goes back down . :)
 
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