[Video] Stand-In Switches explained

notalemming said:
I know you showed those slots could be used for stand in switches but I don't remember any mention that those other 4 slots could not be used for additional layouts. I could not find anywhere on the product info page that mentions how many layouts are available either. No biggie. I get it!
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ahh i see. just for completeness, the manual, quick-start, and Axe-Edit tells and shows the available layouts being 8. the Master Layout Menu is technically a 9th Layout that can be adjusted if desired, and that's where we have the 4 extra switch slots.

i would agree that the general FC web page is not the place to get into such specifics.

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chris said:
ahh i see. just for completeness, the manual, quick-start, and Axe-Edit tells and shows the available layouts being 8. the Master Layout Menu is technically a 9th Layout that can be adjusted if desired, and that's where we have the 4 extra switch slots.

i would agree that the general FC web page is not the place to get into such specifics.

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Since layouts are part of the selling point of the FC's maybe they should mention how many layouts are available. Also, the Wiki says this:

"The FC series are like 12 foot controllers in one. The FC foot controllers feature 12 "layouts". Each layout has a unique, user-assignable set of switch functions. For example Layout 1 could have five preset switches, five scene switches and two switches assigned to bank up/down. Press and hold the bottom right switch and the then tap the switch above it and you enter Layout Select mode. Then tap a switch to select a new Layout. This new layout could have six channel switches and six bypass switches. Etc."
 
notalemming said:
Since layouts are part of the selling point of the FC's maybe they should mention how many layouts are available.
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i disagree that number of Layouts is a selling point. seems like a detail that just adds more words to the page. quick start and manual have the specifics like usual, as i showed above.

that Wiki information is old and incorrect, unfortunately.
 
notalemming said:
Also, the Wiki says this:

"The FC series are like 12 foot controllers in one. The FC foot controllers feature 12 "layouts".
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That was changed to 8 layouts while the FCs were still in beta. Turns out it works out better that way.
 
Thanks Chris great video. I dusted off my old Rapco AB-100 A/B switch and followed your instructions with a standard y cable to my Fc-12 switch 1&2. I configured the master layout to have increment/decrement scenes switches for postions 11,12. I also made sure other previous configurations were set to none. If I pull up the master layout and hit switch 11 or 12 the scenes increment or decrement as expected. When I use the Rapco I have to hit the switch twice to increment or decrement. I tried all different combinations for switch polarity follow hardware or virtual which did not make a difference.

Previously I have been using the Rapco with a standard cable to increment
scenes without a double tap of the switch. Any ideas on getting rid the double tap with my current setup?
 

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chris said:
i disagree that number of Layouts is a selling point. seems like a detail that just adds more words to the page. quick start and manual have the specifics like usual, as i showed above.

that Wiki information is old and incorrect, unfortunately.
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An "essential concept" of the FC is not a selling point? I would think especially on the FC6's that it's a major selling point how many layouts are available IMHO. Again, no biggie. I get what's going on. Just trying to get clear, accurate info so I can decide whether or not I want to buy one.
 
IFITYWYBMAD? said:
Thanks Chris great video. I dusted off my old Rapco AB-100 A/B switch and followed your instructions with a standard y cable to my Fc-12 switch 1&2. I configured the master layout to have increment/decrement scenes switches for postions 11,12. I also made sure other previous configurations were set to none. If I pull up the master layout and hit switch 11 or 12 the scenes increment or decrement as expected. When I use the Rapco I have to hit the switch twice to increment or decrement. I tried all different combinations for switch polarity follow hardware or virtual which did not make a difference.

Previously I have been using the Rapco with a standard cable to increment
scenes without a double tap of the switch. Any ideas on getting rid the double tap with my current setup?
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sounds like you have Latching switches. i mention this near the end of the video, though i didn't specifically talk about having to press the switch twice.

set the Switch Behavior to "Virtual Toggle" and see if it helps out.
 
notalemming said:
An "essential concept" of the FC is not a selling point?
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yeah, i mean i know what you're saying too. but i don't think someone would or wouldn't buy the FC based on "8 available layouts." and if that info did sway their judgment, i don't think it's a good indicator of what the FC can actually do. people freaked out about "only 6 switches" before they started shipping, and now everyone wants an FC6 because of how much it can do in such a small unit compared to the larger FC12.

so *shrug*. but yeah, i understand.
 
chris said:
yeah, i mean i know what you're saying too. but i don't think someone would or wouldn't buy the FC based on "8 available layouts." and if that info did sway their judgment, i don't think it's a good indicator of what the FC can actually do. people freaked out about "only 6 switches" before they started shipping, and now everyone wants an FC6 because of how much it can do in such a small unit compared to the larger FC12.

so *shrug*. but yeah, i understand.
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Maybe not solely based on the number of layouts but a lot of what the FC6 can do is thanks to the number of layouts available. Anyway, as you said, the addition of the stand in switches is a great addition & 1 more thing swaying me to buy an FC!
 
Thanks for the great video Chris! You answered all of the questions I had, along with giving information about equipment that I have never used and answering the questions that came to mind as I watched. It seems like a very well thought out idea and you presented the information in a way that was easy for me to understand. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
 
chris said:
sounds like you have Latching switches. i mention this near the end of the video, though i didn't specifically talk about having to press the switch twice.

set the Switch Behavior to "Virtual Toggle" and see if it helps out.
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From Cliff's Release Note:

Note that if you accidentally apply the Virtual Toggle setting to a physical latching switch, you'll need to tap the switch twice for it to toggle.

If I set the switch to Virtual Toggle then I need to tap the switch 4 times. Seems strange. I will try another y insert cable.
 
IFITYWYBMAD? said:
Thanks Chris great video. I dusted off my old Rapco AB-100 A/B switch and followed your instructions with a standard y cable to my Fc-12 switch 1&2. I configured the master layout to have increment/decrement scenes switches for postions 11,12. I also made sure other previous configurations were set to none. If I pull up the master layout and hit switch 11 or 12 the scenes increment or decrement as expected. When I use the Rapco I have to hit the switch twice to increment or decrement. I tried all different combinations for switch polarity follow hardware or virtual which did not make a difference.

Previously I have been using the Rapco with a standard cable to increment
scenes without a double tap of the switch. Any ideas on getting rid the double tap with my current setup?
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That's an A/B switch. It's intended to let you switch between two guitars or two amps. It's not really set up for turning things on and off.
 
IFITYWYBMAD? said:
From Cliff's Release Note:

Note that if you accidentally apply the Virtual Toggle setting to a physical latching switch, you'll need to tap the switch twice for it to toggle.

If I set the switch to Virtual Toggle then I need to tap the switch 4 times. Seems strange. I will try another y insert cable.
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hmm, well i don't have any latching switches so i don't know specifically.
 
IFITYWYBMAD? said:
From Cliff's Release Note:

Note that if you accidentally apply the Virtual Toggle setting to a physical latching switch, you'll need to tap the switch twice for it to toggle.

If I set the switch to Virtual Toggle then I need to tap the switch 4 times. Seems strange. I will try another y insert cable.
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I am getting the same behavior. Tried different cables too. I think I have tried every combination of settings and it isn't working as it should. Too many taps.
 
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