Have you tried jacking up Ratio?@FractalAudio I can get almost all the way there with the Dynamicomp. The compression on the signal when you're playing notes is basically indistiguishable between the Ross and the Dynamicomp model for me now.
The only trick I can't match is the makeup gain the Ross does as the input signal fades out The Ross tries to keep the output volume consistent (and injects a bunch of that noise as it does it) in a very aggressive manner.
As a result the held note, as it fades out, gets a much bigger volume boost through the Ross as it fades than the Dyanamicomp model provides.
I was considering attaching an envelope or ADSR to the output level on the comp block but that's not ideal as I can't make the source for these controllers the input to the block.
Is there some other approach I can take to get that makeup gain part of the Ross in the magic box?
Yup.Hands you tried jacking up Ratio?
Talking out me bum, untested, but how about a big boost in front of it? Compression should keep the level of the initial attack from going up a lot, but as the signal fades out, that extra input signal will keep it in the working range of the conpressor longer. In theory, maybe.
Help me understand. In an earlier post, you described added gain as the signal fades, which is pretty much the definition of compression. You also spoke of makeup gain, which is a fixed amount of gain that makes up for the fact that compressors are gain-reduction devices with reduced average level. I'm not sure which of these things you mean.
I mean this:I'm not sure which of these things you mean.
Whatever that is called, I can’t make the Dynamicomp block do it like the Ross does it.as the input signal fades out The Ross tries to keep the output volume consistent (and injects a bunch of that noise as it does it) in a very aggressive manner.
A very random thought: would it be possible to expose controls for adjusting the envelope follower's response in the compressor block? I think the difference between the pedal and the model is down to how that envelope evolves relative to the input signal.
Clips tonight when I clear my work day to show the difference.
Did you ever try a boost before it?Clips! It goes Ross --> Dynamicomp --> Ross (L) + Dynamicomp (R). It was all reamp with the same take. Nothing was live.
Here you can see the decay in the waveforms on the tracks:
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At that 32.2 beat marker you can hear the Ross swell to bring the level up -- I can't make the Dynamicomp (or any model) do that. It also appears to have a much slower release time.
My Dynamicomp settings are very extreme at this point:
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I'm attaching the preset I'm using as well for all of this.
I appreciate the continued deliberation and exploration on how to make this Ross thing happen!
Here's an odd way of looking at getting the type of decay swell in your clip.Yes. Didn’t help. But try it with the preset and see what you can come up with?
It’s both the swell and the extra slow release time.
I had tried this on the level setting in the compressor block itself, but it's not completely effective because the controllers are tied to the signals at the input block, not the input signal to the compressor block. If you dialed it with a clean guitar, for example, it'd behave quite differently if you put a drive pedal in front of the compressor block and turned it on (something I like to do).Did you try putting a volume block after the compressor block and use a dynamics or adsr controller to raise the volume level as note decays?