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The Power of Pre-EQ

Discussion in 'Tech Notes' started by FractalAudio, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. Stratoblaster

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    I will try this out for sure...am currently using a GEQ or a PEQ before the amp block as my "Drive" pedal for solo/boosts on all my amps/presets, 99% of which are NMV amps...
     
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    Excellent tip. I have a Filter block in most presets before the Amp block(s), set at 8dB, because I prefer that to the built-in Boost parameter (easily switchable). I've replaced that with these settings. Level at about 4-5 dB.
     
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    Sometimes a simple filter block with limited parameters is all you need vs a GEQ/PEQ...I tried this tonight and liked what it did to my 1987x preset. Another tool in the box...
     
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    I am a rookie too and yesterday I decided to test the pre eq features on patches. It was a learning curve day. I really enjoyed playing with my Axe Edit. I even got close to a Boston (Peace of Mind) sound. No need to tone match, just messing with the pre eq and amp settings (with eq too). Thanks for the tech note. After I got the sound I wanted I started playing with cabs. Changing cabs really make a difference on the sounds. Living and learning. I love my Fractal gear. And of course at the end of the day I realized how Simeon, Fremen and other hot Axe pragramers are really fantastic dudes. These guys' patches are great. You guys rock.
     
  5. FractalAudio

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    The first Boston album is all about pre-EQ. They didn't use Rockmans on that album. It was cranked Marshalls with pre-EQ. Lots of midrange boost. You can clearly hear the difference when they switched to Rockmans. The tone isn't nearly as good on the later albums, sounds fake and overly compressed.
     
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    Yep. From Third Stage on, the guitars sound like $hit IMO. Same for those horrid sampled drums and cymbals. I understand his pride in his invention, and the marketing advantage to using it on his recordings. But I always ask myself how he could not hear the superiority of the first two records. DLB used a combination of Rockman and Marshall. It's pretty easy to tell which is which.
     
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    I've seen pic's of his old pedal board and the settings were something like, 100 Hz = +3, 200 Hz = +3, 400 Hz = +9, 800 Hz = +12, 1.6 K = +3, 3.2 K =+9.
     
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    I saw Boston last summer. All of their tones were totally spot on and the band played well. The dude taking on the Brad Delp duties did an honorable job - tough shoes to fill there.

    The problem with the show was the over all sound. The venue is open air and flat seating. But Boston is arena rock. That music counts on having a judicious amount of reverb on the overall mix and they just could not seem to capture that outdoors. So the guitars sounded small. I've seen all kinds of other bands there and none had that problem because none of them had that guitar tone dialed into sit in the mix before it hit the mix.
     
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    that's how adam jones gets his tone out of a marshall super bass. he puts a boss graphic EQ in front and slams the mids, the parked wah bandwidth area. i like using a parametric to add a wide high shelf from 3k up, and a wide peak between about 40 and 100, about 3-6db each. it helps A LOT to bypass everything except the dry electric signal and the input EQ to hear what kind of fundamental you're feeding the amp...if you can get it sounding rich and natural in it's naked state, plug it in and you will be well rewarded.
     
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    That what Jaabs from the Scorpions did.
     
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    Thaaaanks!! :)
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    I'll do that!
     
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    can you post the preset again ,please ? or the settings for the EQ you use ?
     
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    Do this! No really, do this. Then save the filterblock under the name WOW in your library and from there insert it in the new Bank A factory presets before the amp. Are these great usable guitartones or what? What a "hidden gem" this suggestion is. And don't reserve it for the factory presets, drop it in your own presets as well. I know I did!
     
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    I am a dedicated supporter of using a 1/3 octave EQ in my effects loop and tweaking EVERY slider. This can put the final polish on your tone in a way that no lower resolution tone shaping tools can do.

    Note, every Bradshaw rack you ever saw a photo of back in the 80s featured two or three 1/3 octave EQs in it. For the same reason. Back then I had no idea why they were there, until I tried an EQ in my loop once. I've never taken it out of my loop ever since. I did upgrade to a digital Alesis EQ, though.

    I have yet to experiment with the EQ possibilities in my Axe-FX II. That's because UPS is supposed to deliver it tomorrow.
     
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    this place is a wealth of great info I have already learned so much in my short time here I have spent time in character now settings now to try and get a handle on pre EQ ..
     
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    cool tip i will try it on the marshall!!!
     
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    Unbelievable. We are so lucky to be in this club. But even that's unfair - it's like being in another world. I get lost in this forum and my AX8 nearly every day/night ;)
     
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    OMG! This may be an old thread but these filter block settings Cliff shared was just awesome!
     
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