Steve Vai, Carvin, and Fractal

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  1. USMC_Trev

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    I've asked for the X-100 a few times before without much luck. surprised Dweezil hasn't sent one in or asked for it as it played a big role in Zappa's tone...
     
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    The TRx stuff is really good!
     
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    Liberal return policy? Carvin?
    10 days, customer pays shipping both ways. You'd be hard pressed to find a less lenient return policy.
     
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    Speaking of going out of business... I went to Guitar Center today... Miserable bastards

    I can't complain because at certain stores I get the total hookup- but today went to their newest store in the chain- a store I'm personal friends with the general manager of- the staff was had below average gear knowledge, no desire to sell- or any interest/enthusiasm about music gear.

    ALSO- everyone's acting like Carvins guitars were something to rave about- they weren't bad- but have no resale value- an $1800 custom guitar is worth $200-350... and I had to unlike the current brands page on facebook- their posts got annoying- but more annoying was all their knocking off of everything else out there... like- there's a whole line of strandberg knockoffs... and they're bragging like anything they've done is original-

    I'm all about a good deal but 25% is hardly worth buying up stuff from a defunct company- no support- no hope- no future- might as well pay full price and have something you can do something with.
     
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    I giggled a bit here. What exactly is the Fractal effect?
     
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    This isn't a terrible way to see it all. They aren't shutting down by accident; they certainly bear responsibility for not being able sustain the business.
     
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    The "Fractal Effect" refers to companies who make tube guitar amps beaten into bankruptcy.
    [now I'm giggling.. ;) ]
     
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    For a made-to-order guitar that was pretty good. You could put whatever idiot options you wanted and they'd still take it back.
     
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    Please tell me where you're seeing those kinds of used prices. A scan of e-bay and reverb.com shows something quite different.
     
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    I've bought 3, and see them all the time- they're out there- (luckily I found one of the dudes that custom ordered it in the first place and sold it back to him)

    Ebay and Reverb is top dollar- ebay used to be 'low end used' now with a world market- it's top dollar

    Where I'm from- asking more than $400 for even a $2000 Carvin- you'll sit on it for years... a few pawn shops here and in vegas have got stuck with them (they look online, overpay- have no way to get rid of them) and they'll unload them at a loss- $200 max

    The problem with CUSTOM- is that they're custom to who ordered it and wanted it- and not for everyone else in the world- I saw someone selling a used carvin for $1800 i built on their website for $1600- you can ask all the money in the world- but Carvins are bad investments- not bad guitars- great guitars and they're set up better than any other guitar from the factory- but- custom can hurt the value....

    Fender CUSTOM SHOP isn't really custom shop- they pick/they decide/holds it's value

    But I see people not even able to give away many carvins on the used market- there might be a small pool of people overpaying on ebay and reverb but there's a bigger market of people who can't get rid of them
     
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    Got any links? I wouldn't mind picking up one or two... or six. :p
     
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    Yea, me either! I have certainly come across sub-$1000 Carvins on TGP from time to time, but nothing as low $400 or less.

    Searching TGP for Carvin: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...7/&q=carvin&o=date&c[title_only]=1&c[node]=22

    $895 for a Kiesel Bolt (that looks a helluva lot like the Suhr I just bought...) -
    $1350 for a Carvin Carve Top CT6
    $900 for a Bolt
    $575 for an ST300 that's been scratched up and priced accordingly
    $900 for a DC-6 with a killer quilt top

    So, if you want a banged up ST300, you're getting close to $400...
     
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    Such bad investments then why is everyone ranting and raving over keisel guitars? Only difference is the name.
     
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    Probably why they have a 6+ month backlog on new orders too...
     
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    So what was it called before Fractal? I'm almost positive some tube amp companies folded prior to Fractal's conception.
     
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    The Sampler Effect. When music started being made by sampling previous recordings rather than creating it with multiple instruments.
     
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    Note that there seems to be a higher value and quality level with the Kiesel guitars than with the Carvin branded ones.
     
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    It was called the "we sucked at business" effect. ;)
    But that was never my point that carvin died because of fractal. It was simply a side bar comment that like it or not
    if you sell a million axe-fx units, a few amp companies just might go out of business, dig?
     
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    I was just having fun with you man. I found it funny but I agree. Between Fractal, Kemper and L6, I'm sure a few less amps have been sold. I call it the Kemtal6 effect.
     
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