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So where are AXE 1 and AXE 2 made in?

Discussion in 'Axe-Fx II Discussion' started by pureanalog, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Sidivan

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    Here's a list of guitars I currently own:
    2001 ESP Custom
    Charvel Desolation Soloist
    1997 Hamer Custom
    Carvin 7 string (not sure on model as I got it 2nd hand)
    LTD Viper Baritone
    Peavey Patriot (first guitar I ever owned)
    Emerald Carbon Fiber acoustic

    Now, most of those were made overseas. None of them are crap by any means and you'd be hard pressed to find a guitarist that would say they are after playing them.

    I owned a Mexi Strat as my main practice guitar for 10 years and it was every bit as good as an american strat. In fact, when i sold it, the very first person to come play it bought it for asking price without negotiation. I had a Gibson '71 LP Goldtop, which was beautiful, but my ESP is a better guitar IMO. I played a Michael Kelly Patriot Glory ($499 MAP) down at a local shop last week and it's on par with that '71 as far as construction is concerned. With new pickups, it'd be one of the best guitars on the market. I'm actually going to buy one, drop new pickups in it and take it on the road with the Charvel. I'd hate for my ESP or Hamer to get "Relic'd" on a gig when inexpensive, replaceable, foreign guitars are doing the job just as well.
     
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    Sorry, I meant Seymour Duncan blackouts (AHB-3). They look similar and even popped right in with no additional wiring. The sound is so much better than the stock ones (61/81 I think).
     
  3. Sidivan

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    I believe Francois-Henri Pinault is french. I'm only guessing though.
     
  4. clarky

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    Paris, Texas maybe???
     
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    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."
    - Carl Sagan

    Truly nothing in the world, when it comes to electronics, is made exclusively in any one country any more. Raw materials are mined around the globe, pre-processed globally, packaged in to components globally, and fitted in to final devices globally.

    When we say an electronic device is made in a specific country it's usually based on a minimum amount of the raw material and/or the devices coming from that country, and assembly and test being performed in that country. It's very unlikely semiconductors are made in North America these days. The fab processes are pretty toxic and we take advantage of the lax environmental laws in other countries to produce these things small and cheap and in massive quantities. The exceptions being things like highly-specialized parts (like DSPs). With made-in-a-country designations on electronics it usually boils down to: is the PCB etched and and component soldered to the PCB in the country? Is final assembly done in the country? Is the testing and verification done in the country? If all three of those things are true it usually stands up to the "it's made the in <insert your country you like to feel pride about here>" designation.

    The Axe-Fx II passes those tests for the "Made in the USA" designation. It even goes a but further in that the Analog Devices DSPs it uses are fabricated in the USA. Though, AD runs fab facilities in both the USA and Ireland, so I'm not 100% certain *all* TigerSHARCs are made in the USA.
     
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    Yes he is. :lol
    I had the same thought.
     
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    Last year's thread / Forum etiquette

    Yes, I remember the thread from last year very well. It was almost an exact copy of this thread. It went on forever because:

    * Cliff made no definitive statement about where manufacturing is done.

    * Many people rudely insisted that the OP's question was invalid.

    * Many people refused to acknowledge that Cliff never answered the OP's question.

    As I did last year, I would like to address the issue of rudeness. Just because you have no interest in the OP's question does not make the question invalid. Just because you suspect that he has "bad" motives for asking it does not make the question invalid. I prefer to treat people as innocent until proven guilty. I also prefer to treat them as I would wish to be treated -- with respect. Please treat the OP with respect, and if you have nothing to contribute to his question, please refrain from posting. Specifically, please stop telling him he has no right to ask. We all have a right to ask questions, at least if we behave nicely -- that's the purpose of the forum. It's up to Cliff whether he wants to answer.

    Of course, the manufacturing process is somewhat complex. We can ask:
    * Where design is done.
    * Where each part is made. Parts include chassis, power supply, CPU, memory, PC board, etc.
    * Where subassemblies are done.
    * Where final assembly is done.
    * Where quality control is done.
     
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    I dont think anyone is offended but maaaan, do you have a long journey ahead of you if you need to sort this out for every item you buy... ;)
     
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    Old thread, but this kind of thing happens all the time. Someone wants to know something, everyone else says it doesnt matter. WHO THE F**CK are you to decide what matters to someone else, and what shouldnt? I care about where something is made. Its not about the quality, its about supporting your local economy as much as possible. Not bowing to a lesser price point, at the cost of how the human race is treated in areas where labor is slavery. I already saw a post that summed up how a price point was wanting to be met, so some things are being used from overseas to bypass the expense of paying an American worker. Its too toxic for the American worker, yet we are fine with shipping that shit for some human in Asia to do it for mere pennies? I was looking up this stuff and trying to decide if i wanted to upgrade to an axe III. I do believe it aint going to happen. With the reasoning being used to justify cheaper labor in this old as hell thread, I can only imagine the III unit is doing even more of the same. You know why companies dont tell you where everything is made? Because eventually they have to admit they employed slaves to enable a lower price, or to raise profits. Its not the company's fault entirely. Most consumers don't care who gets to eat from laboring over manufacture, they only care how cheap it can be. I am of the rare few that WILL pay more for the same thing, if i know a fellow American did the work. Work, as in manufacture. Fwiw, I've never seen a forum full of so many elitists in my life. Almost makes me ashamed to even own an axe and be lumped in with the rest....At least SOMEONE else gets it.

     
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    Hey, welcome back RR ^^
     
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    While I agree with a lot of this unfortunately most consumers only care about price. If the competition is using low-cost labor then everyone else has to follow suit or risk going out of business because their prices are too high.

    With that said, roughly 50% (by cost) of the Axe-Fx III is made in USA. The chassis and simpler circuit boards are made in China. The DSP module is made right here in NH.
     
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    I'd like to add a humorous addendum.

    The Axe-Fx III is assembled, programmed, inspected, and tested at our facility in New Hampshire. Assembly includes various components sourced from around the world, including the USA. Now. when you try to answer the question, "Who would buy an Axe-Fx if it didn't have amp, cab and effect models?" you suddenly recognize the "priceless" quality of the firmware, which is of course entirely made in the USA. Oddly, we had one customer opt to not purchase a unit recently because it was not "100% made in USA". I wondered but refrained from asking about the computer or phone he was typing to me on, and the various components that carried not only internet service but even electricity to his location...
     
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    IMHO, the firmware is the product.

    Also, just like many people on this forum, I don't live in the USA. I think that's an important point. The marketplace for a specialized product like this is global, and that probably shifts the thinking a little bit. Customers in other countries aren't particularly interested in supporting the US economy and interest in the country of origin of a product probably only extends to an evaluation of probably quality of the product.

    All that being said, I imagine that most customers, no matter where they live, would prefer that the products they buy aren't produced by child labourers, or exploited workers or in conditions that are inhumane. But there's lots of countries other than the USA that have regulations that protect workers.
     
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    If I insisted on only buying stuff made in my own country I'd have no Fender Strat, no Ibanez, no Washburn, no VG-99, no 2120, no Axe-II
    and my V's would have no bridges [Floyd Rose]..
    I would have though a pair of Marshall cabs, two power amps and a 12-string acoustic.. so it's not all bad news.. lol..

    seriously though...
    if we all thought that way Fender and Gibson for example would only be found within the USA..
    which is kinda ridiculous when you think about it..
    the world is full of great stuff... we all benefit from it
     
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