So there is this 2K$ unit that just does cabs/mic sims ...

Argh, no comments ??! :shock:.

In A/B test, there's something more in your samples (density I think) that I can't achieve with my Ultra.

Anyone get that sound with Axe or is there a (little) thing to improve in the Axe ?
 
MisterE said:
Before everyone gets to excited, read up on what the professor has to say about this:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7866&start=0&hilit=torpedo
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lol does it means that before to try my machine i should read these kind of thing to know how it will sound and get excited about it ...or not ? :lol:
my ears tells me how it sound and how it feels when i'm playing it.i trust them because they are not influenced by anything if you know what i mean.except the pleasure i take when playing.i 'don't care about technology used and mathematics.i plug and use my ears.
i have both machine at house, does anyone have both here to really feel, know how it sound ?

the torpedo is a studio gear, like a high end preamp, compressor, it justify this price.
the pb here seems that it does for the same price of axe fx "only" load box-cab sim.it's not a pb for me, if it works good.and it does.

but does anyone has tried it ? i have, and i can tell , honestly that with my rivera amp , i have a more "organic" sensation when playing and more "feel" to the sound and more "in your face" when recording, listen to the sample.

axe fx is still a great machine for me and still kicks asse to line6 , boss etc etc.no pb.
and for the price it's a great gear, all in one etc.and i keep it, no pb, but while everybody thinks that it can't be beat, i'm sorry to tell that with my rivera and torpedo , it can.
but only rivera + torpedo : 4000 euros, and no effect, is double price of axe fx.and only one color of amp.
all is matter of choice.
and i have chosen to have both :lol: :cool:
 
Cliff, do you think we can have this sound with firmware 8.07 (if yes, how please ?) and if no, by improving something in the Axe ?
 
You just have to plug your amp in the Axe-Fx using the rear input with the send of the effects loop or a load box if you don't want to use Axe's model.
 
bmi said:
You just have to plug your amp in the Axe-Fx using the rear input with the send of the effects loop or a load box if you don't want to use Axe's model.
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Sure you've answered the right topic :?:

Waiting for an answer from cliff or anyone who has a sample/patch made with Axe (and only Axe) and very, very closed to the sample above.
 
:roll:
This topic talk about using an amp with a box that does cab sims.
The Axe does cab sims!!! (and much more)
So just plug your amp in the Axe and try free custom IRs.
 
Your post follows mine so I could think you answered to me and it's absolutely not my question "totoleheron".
 
Manolo said:
Your post follows mine so I could think you answered to me and it's absolutely not my question "totoleheron".
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I answer to the topic...if so i would quote your post naturally like that. ;)
 
bmi said:
:roll:
This topic talk about using an amp with a box that does cab sims.
The Axe does cab sims!!! (and much more)
So just plug your amp in the Axe and try free custom IRs.
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free custom IR like this one you posted , 2 month ago ?
I'm working on "in da room" IRs for me. It's not easy to get a good result so this is what i get for the moment :
Telecaster + 5150 + custom cab G12T100 (No Mic, AIR = AIR freq= null)

http://www.mediafire.com/?znfwywtmmgt
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you told my torpedo sample had a pb in hi end, but meh, 24bit 96 khz in mono for a free IR that has a big pb like yours (listen to it !) confort me that you absolutly don't know what you are talking about.
did you record with an old sampler in 8 BIT before post it ???? it sound like this.
waw.

1st : i've tried a lot of load box , i think most kill the sound of your amp

2nd : it's not what manolo is talking about

PS : sorry for the other , but we already had some discuss with bmi in other forum about sound, it seems that we don't agree at all.but he comes again here to continue.that explain my answer.
 
Surely you can talk about IRs and you know what you are talking about. :roll:
This IR is not free for the simple reason that it is not available at this moment and it is not available for the simple reason that it has artefacts. This is a work in progress and i miss stuff at this moment to go further.
As i said i tried to make in da room IR. Even if this IR has issues it sounds more clear and in da room than any other IRs IMO.
When i will get the good stuff i'm quite sure that i can make something interesting then i will post it here of course.
IMO all is already in the box it's just a question of work but it's not so easy. You have to take care of a lot of details to get a good result.
By the way you complain about your feeling with Axe's model on the french channel, i just say plug your amp into the Axe as you do with the torpedo.
I've already do that with my Randall and everybody can try this and make is own opinion using all IRs available for free on Axechange.

Here are many records made with the torpedo coming from the french forum :

Engl + test different cabs and mics
http://www.esnips.com/doc/50947a45-8478 ... c-shootout

Engl + torpedo 2 guitar tracks + post processing
http://www.esnips.com/doc/93c11024-ac56 ... ...%5D0427

kalien krueger
http://www.j-o-x.fr/TorpedoBass.mp3

palmer than torpedo
http://basstyra.free.fr/Samples_Torpedo ... ORPEDO.mp3

http://www.chuggachuggamusic.com/torped ... dstrat.mp3

http://www.chuggachuggamusic.com/torpedohotrod.mp3

http://www.chuggachuggamusic.com/hphotrod.mp3

I hear nothing fantastic.
 
1/ You can do shit with every gear in the world. It's not the better way to make things going further by taking this for basis (I haven't listen to your samples but I heard great and bad things with Torpedo, like for Axe).
2/ The sample of Stef is great
3/ No one for the moment has posted a sample done with Axe that nail this sound
4/ No 3/ on the horizon and Cliff doesn't say :"hum, I can improve this"

We can't start to advance.
 
1/ you can do shit i agree...but the last samples of the torpedo are made by bedoo who is a professional in France.

2/ the sample of stef is great...i agree...but he never tried to do one with the Axe and a real amp.

3/ no one has posted a sample because no one get focused to use the Axe with a real amp.

4/ Cliff has already answered that all is already in the box due to the fact that all characteristic of as speaker is largely into the 22ms IR length. So the only thing you have to do is to plug your amp in your Axe and try to reproduce what stef has done...or more simple ask to stef to do it for you. If you want the sound of stef (beck) ask to stef, he has spend 20 years to achieve this sound don't try to get it in 5 min.
 
bmi said:
If you want the sound of stef (beck) ask to stef
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i have done a beck sample with axe fx , while it's very good (to my ears) , it's not as good as i can do with torpedo

bmi said:
he has spend 20 years to achieve this sound don't try to get it in 5 min.
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:lol: are you sure ? i never useed clean channel of my amp at 10 before torpedo and never used it like that.and i received the torpedo 2 hours before my sample.
so i took my amp like i would do with another amp , turned the gain and master to 10 :lol: ,zero pedal, nothing selected one patch and go.
so ...are you sure it took me 20 years to find that ? :lol:
 
bmi said:
2/ the sample of stef is great...i agree...but he never tried to do one with the Axe and a real amp.
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The thing you don't understand is that I don't care about a real amp. I bought the Axe-FX not to have a real amp next the Axe. I would like to have the same sound only with the Axe.

4/ Cliff has already answered that all is already in the box due to the fact that all characteristic of as speaker is largely into the 22ms IR length. So the only thing you have to do is to plug your amp in your Axe and try to reproduce what stef has done...or more simple ask to stef to do it for you. If you want the sound of stef (beck) ask to stef, he has spend 20 years to achieve this sound don't try to get it in 5 min.
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It's not a comparison between Axe, Torpedo or others and try to know which is better. There's a great sound I hear, I would like to know if it's reproducable with the Axe BUT I don't want to read : "yes", just hear it...
 
Stef, now this is a long shot, but it would be a great test:
Run an impulse through the Torpedo at a level you like and record the response. Turn that into an IR and put it in a user slot in the Axe-FX. Then compare the Axe with the Torpedo. That might establish if it's the machine or the IR that sounds so great. I'm just curious.

Wouldn't ask you to share that IR though... That would be unethical. But you paid for the machine, so you should be free to use that IR without taking the machine with you. :D
 
stef herbuel said:
bmi said:
I hear nothing fantastic.
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that's the big pb with your ears , these 2 for example are really great

http://www.chuggachuggamusic.com/torpedohotrod.mp3

http://www.chuggachuggamusic.com/hphotrod.mp3

that's what i'm talking about in term of "in your face" and "live" sound and power amp juice.
about 10000000 miles from your free IR.
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That must be a problem for sure but more a matter of taste and nothing to do with my ears.
I hear all the samples with the same ears and if i find your record great i find this one completly unatural.

Following the post of the previous torpedo records (except your one) i hear nothing that the Axe can't do following the thousand records that have been posted here and in the old forum and again i hear the samples...always with the same ears.(can't change them)
 
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