RESOLVED: Win 11 no ASIO

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Larry Kehl

Inspired
Stay with me long one but maybe one of you good folks have already puzzled this out

First MY FX3, FM9 and my older Gen 2 Scarlett 28i8 ASIO each works fine in windows 10 pro latest build -on desktop PC and a laptop.

I cloned my win 10 drives onto new SSD's then upgraded those new drives to current win 11 pro 24h2 current build (not new preview build)

ASIO on all three devices does not work.

When DAW is set to ASIO, on any of the three devices I can record audio via USB.

In same DAW (and I've used three different DAW's) I can send audio out, again over USB to each audio device (FX3, FM9, or 18i8)

However, I cannot route said audio back to the PC/Laptop over USB like I can in Win 10?

Example: in win 10 I can bring up DAW, set ASIO to any device (FX3, FM9, 18I8) play a song and send that audio via USB, to my 18i8 (or any Fractal device) and have the audio routed right back to PC to play on studio monitors

Boot into windows 11 - same procedure and no audio comes back over USB.

ANY THOUGHTS?

Thanks
Larry
 
Had a similar problem Cubase not identifying an ASIO4ALL driver in W11. Just downloaded the driver and install it worked for me.
 
Windows system audio does not directly support ASIO. System audio uses WDM drivers usually. You may have had something else installed in Windows 10 that handled that routing.
 
Larry Kehl said:
ASIO on all three devices does not work.

When DAW is set to ASIO, on any of the three devices I can record audio via USB.

In same DAW (and I've used three different DAW's) I can send audio out, again over USB to each audio device (FX3, FM9, or 18i8)
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These statements are at odds with each other. You say ASIO is not working, but then say that you can receive and send audio on all three when the DAW is set to ASIO. Which is it?

The only way I know you can send audio between devices like that is if the DAW supports separate input and output devices (rare) or you're using some other driver (ASIO4ALL, Voicemeter, etc.) to create a single aggregate device between your various audio devices.
 
mr_fender said:
These statements are at odds with each other. You say ASIO is not working, but then say that you can receive and send audio on all three when the DAW is set to ASIO. Which is it?

The only way I know you can send audio between devices like that is if the DAW supports separate input and output devices (rare) or you're using some other driver (ASIO4ALL, Voicemeter, etc.) to create a single aggregate device between your various audio devices.
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Let me try to clarify then. I select say the FX3 as my DAW USB audio I/O device, which is ASIO.

In win 10 I can play an already recorded song and that audio goes out over USB on FX3's out 1 and 2. It is then returned to the PC, in (near) real-time on FX3's outputs 1 and 2 over USB (no audio cables connected to or from FX3) and that audio is then heard on the studio monitors connected to my PC's line out jack. Yea, I know it would be better to connect to FX3 out jack's (less noise, etc) but that's another discussion. Bottom line audio leaves PC on USB and is returned to PC on USB, to be heard on PC monitors in near realtime (minus any FX3 ASIO driver latency and internal FX3 latency). Therfore I can record my guitar or synth keyboard over (into) the playing DAW song and can hear what's playing AND my guitar/keyboard.

Now on the same PC, no connections changed, I boot into Win 11 on a separate boot drive. The same DAW song goes out to the FX3 over USB (i can hear it on FX3 audio jacks) BUT it is not returned - or more accurately it [probably] IS returned over USB but it is not heard on PC audio line out like it is in Win 10. Ditto 18i8 and FM9.

I can play into the FX3 and the DAW sees the audio and records it, over USB, but I can't monitor it in real-time like I can in Win 10. Except obviously, I can visually see the audio in the DAW audio track. That's why I'm sure audio is coming out of FX3 over USB - I just can't monitor it audibly on the PC in real-time.

Device manager shows all three audio devices installed and supposedly function. Checked all device drivers, etc. And all drivers are current.

I'm sure it's some win 11 audio setting I'm missing/overlooking but I've set everything identical to win 10 (as far as I can tell).

Sorry if it sounded (no pun) like I said I could send and receive audio out of one side of my mouth but then said I couldn't out of the other.

Again thanks for any hints, tips, etc on what I'm clearly missing settings/device wise in win 11.

Larry
 
Larry Kehl said:
In win 10 I can play an already recorded song and that audio goes out over USB on FX3's out 1 and 2. It is then returned to the PC, in (near) real-time on FX3's outputs 1 and 2 over USB (no audio cables connected to or from FX3) and that audio is then heard on the studio monitors connected to my PC's line out jack. Yea, I know it would be better to connect to FX3 out jack's (less noise, etc) but that's another discussion. Bottom line audio leaves PC on USB and is returned to PC on USB, to be heard on PC monitors in near realtime (minus any FX3 ASIO driver latency and internal FX3 latency). Therfore I can record my guitar or synth keyboard over (into) the playing DAW song and can hear what's playing AND my guitar/keyboard.
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That mechanism does not exist by default. When you send audio to the Axe III's ASIO USB outputs, the audio goes to the Axe III and does not also go to the PC's audio device without either a separate loopback audio driver or a physical cable connection back to the PC's audio device. You must have installed something else in Windows 10 to handle that loopback.
 
Larry Kehl said:
Let me try to clarify then. I select say the FX3 as my DAW USB audio I/O device, which is ASIO.

In win 10 I can play an already recorded song and that audio goes out over USB on FX3's out 1 and 2. It is then returned to the PC, in (near) real-time on FX3's outputs 1 and 2 over USB (no audio cables connected to or from FX3) and that audio is then heard on the studio monitors connected to my PC's line out jack. Yea, I know it would be better to connect to FX3 out jack's (less noise, etc) but that's another discussion. Bottom line audio leaves PC on USB and is returned to PC on USB, to be heard on PC monitors in near realtime (minus any FX3 ASIO driver latency and internal FX3 latency). Therfore I can record my guitar or synth keyboard over (into) the playing DAW song and can hear what's playing AND my guitar/keyboard.

Now on the same PC, no connections changed, I boot into Win 11 on a separate boot drive. The same DAW song goes out to the FX3 over USB (i can hear it on FX3 audio jacks) BUT it is not returned - or more accurately it [probably] IS returned over USB but it is not heard on PC audio line out like it is in Win 10. Ditto 18i8 and FM9.

I can play into the FX3 and the DAW sees the audio and records it, over USB, but I can't monitor it in real-time like I can in Win 10. Except obviously, I can visually see the audio in the DAW audio track. That's why I'm sure audio is coming out of FX3 over USB - I just can't monitor it audibly on the PC in real-time.

Device manager shows all three audio devices installed and supposedly function. Checked all device drivers, etc. And all drivers are current.

I'm sure it's some win 11 audio setting I'm missing/overlooking but I've set everything identical to win 10 (as far as I can tell).

Sorry if it sounded (no pun) like I said I could send and receive audio out of one side of my mouth but then said I couldn't out of the other.

Again thanks for any hints, tips, etc on what I'm clearly missing settings/device wise in win 11.

Larry
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I'm pretty sure you're misremembering what you were doing with Windows 10. Not only can that not be done (or at least not without the additional steps mentioned by Mr Fender), but you wouldn't want what you're asking for anyway, since that would add an annoying latency.

The only explanation I can think of is you must have had your monitors connected differently under Windows 10.
 
GlennO said:
I'm pretty sure you're misremembering what you were doing with Windows 10. Not only can that not be done (or at least not without the additional steps mentioned by Mr Fender), but you wouldn't want what you're asking for anyway, since that would add an annoying latency.

The only explanation I can think of is you must have had your monitors connected differently under Windows 10.
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First thanks all for thinking about this and replying.

Well I'm stumped since the win 11 drive is a clone of the win 10 drive then the win 11 drive was an upgrade over that win 10 install - so that all programs, settings, configuration are the same.

And this is a dual boot PC so I can boot into win 10 and all is golden then I boot into win11 and while obliviously no DAW settings, audio, or USB connections have changed it no longer works - as it does in win 10,


What started this "hunt" was I couldn't monitor the audio device I always use on the desktop - the 18i8 which specifically has SW loop back (on the Focusrite windowed control panel it's called SW playback). I have never used the FX3 OR FM9 AS my PC audio device until this troubleshooting started - to see if they worked the same in win 10 as the 18i8 - they do. Then when I boot into win 11 none of them "work."

I know it's not the devices or even their drivers I was just hoping someone who moved from win 10 to win 11 and found thier audio device (focusrite, presonus, etc.) no longer "worked" as it did in win 10 and had that eureka moment about a win 11 setting that is different, broken, weird as compared to win 10 and and could pass it along.

Funny this all works in win 10 as explained - but it doesn't work, as explained, in win 11.

Actually, this config/method/signal flow was carried forward from my win 7 days - I forget what my audio I/O device was back then - but I'm old and I forget a lot of things.

Again thanks
Larry
 
Are your monitors connected to the 18i8? You made is sound like you are monitoring through the PC's soundcard. Try reinstalling the latest version of Windows 11 drivers from Focusrite.
 
Larry Kehl said:
First thanks all for thinking about this and replying.

Well I'm stumped since the win 11 drive is a clone of the win 10 drive then the win 11 drive was an upgrade over that win 10 install - so that all programs, settings, configuration are the same.

And this is a dual boot PC so I can boot into win 10 and all is golden then I boot into win11 and while obliviously no DAW settings, audio, or USB connections have changed it no longer works - as it does in win 10,


What started this "hunt" was I couldn't monitor the audio device I always use on the desktop - the 18i8 which specifically has SW loop back (on the Focusrite windowed control panel it's called SW playback). I have never used the FX3 OR FM9 AS my PC audio device until this troubleshooting started - to see if they worked the same in win 10 as the 18i8 - they do. Then when I boot into win 11 none of them "work."

I know it's not the devices or even their drivers I was just hoping someone who moved from win 10 to win 11 and found thier audio device (focusrite, presonus, etc.) no longer "worked" as it did in win 10 and had that eureka moment about a win 11 setting that is different, broken, weird as compared to win 10 and and could pass it along.

Funny this all works in win 10 as explained - but it doesn't work, as explained, in win 11.

Actually, this config/method/signal flow was carried forward from my win 7 days - I forget what my audio I/O device was back then - but I'm old and I forget a lot of things.

Again thanks
Larry
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With all due respect, what you're trying to achieve isn't a good idea in the first place. Monitoring your Axe-FX shouldn't involve your PC at all. So the 18i8 Loopback channel and the USB drivers are irrelevant for that purpose. Instead, you should monitor direct. You'll find instructions here:

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/axe-fx-for-the-recording-musician.177592/
 
Yeah, If you want to monitor via the 18i8, I'd add a SPDIF connection between the Axe III and the 18i8 and monitor direct via that. You'll get less latency that way.
 
mr_fender said:
Are your monitors connected to the 18i8? You made is sound like you are monitoring through the PC's soundcard. Try reinstalling the latest version of Windows 11 drivers from Focusrite.
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Been there, done that and am in contact with Focusrite over this

And until this issue came up I've never used the FX3 or FM9 as an audio device just the 18i8. Just using now to try and isolate what might be going on with the 18i8.

I only use the Fractal kit to record guitar - using the analog outs into the 18i8 analog ins then into the PC over 18i8 USB to record OVER/into (dub) what's already been recorded. I'd love to be able to monitor this in real-time while recording like I can in Win 10.

I'd use SPDIF on everything but too many external devices (synths, FX3, FM9, etc) and only have one SPDIF in on 18i8.

Not being stubborn, and I do appreciate all the help/suggestions but this "method" has worked since since win XP. Obvioulsy with different audio boxes since then. Back in XP I had an excellent firewire box -forgot which one - but when I finally moved to Win 7 had to get a USB audio box since the old firewire box was no longer supported. Ditto when I moved to Win 10 that's how I wound up with the 18i8.

Again thanks

Larry
 
Thanks to everyone, but BOY do I feel like a complete and total DUMBA$$ !!

Without seeing my fairly complex Rube Goldberg setup (which some of you already think is dumber than dirt), this won't tell you much. In simplest terms, I have a multi-speaker switch box between the PC's line-in and line-out and the 18i8 to select various speakers as well as allowing me to listen to the 18i8 line/monitor out's directly to those speakers (sans PC - for other reasons).

When I cloned the Win 10 drive and then upgraded it to Win 11 for SOME UNKNOWN reason, the Realtek's line-in PLAYBACK volume got set to zero. That control is somewhat hidden, and turning it up in the Windows 11 "sound" settings does nothing apparently. This effectively cuts the input off from the 18i8, FX3, FM9, etc. After closing and upgrading to Win 11 all other settings and parameters stayed where they were set in Windows 10 so I have no idea what or how this happened. I'll have to pay attention as I check other applications (no music stuff) for similar "resets" of paramters.

That particular line-in level parameter seems to be exclusively controlled in the motherboard's audio control window (An ASUS Republic of Gamers MoBo with its so-called "Supreme FX" audio control window) and NOT by the Windows 11 line-level settings. I know that means nothing to you unless you have a ASUS ROG MoBo with the same ASUS Realtek audio controls.

In any case, thanks for bearing with me as I fumble through life (time for a scotch and a cigar)

Thanks again.
Larry
 
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