King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Subject says it all... would like an adjustable global loudness curve much like Yamaha put on preamps a while back.
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Wish Request: Global adjustable Fletcher-Munson Curve
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King’s X - Jason
Inspired
It’s been accomplished by other audio manufacturers. It’s doable even if not perfect. I can provide references of execution if needed. Like Yamaha preamps.
chris
Legend!
references always help everyone understand the wish.
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
http://www.hifi-classic.net/review/yamaha-c-80-and-yamaha-m-80-463.html
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/yamaha/cx-2.shtml
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/yamaha/cx-830.shtml
There’s more if you have google. This would be a killer addition to this device. It would improve the experience over headphones. Improve the ability to create presets that work live, in the studio and during practice.
It’s a very reasonable request.
lqdsnddist
Axe-Master
How would it improve the experience over headphones ?
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Low end response and/or cab resonance would be greater at a presumably lower sound level than out through PA, cabs or FOH.
One could listen at lower levels via headphone and have a fuller sound without high SPL levels.
Still want to know your stand specifics.
shatteredsquare
Fractal Fanatic
Boss put it in their new load box FX thingy
unix-guy
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It's been requested and explained why it won't happen... And since your links refer to "variable loudness" (at least, I assume that's what you're linking for) it was also talked about why "loudness" controls don't really work.
I agree it would be cool if it could work, but I'm guessing the answer will still be "no".
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Yet, when I owned a Yamaha pre-amp so equipped... it did work. Quite well.It's been requested and explained why it won't happen... And since your links refer to "variable loudness" (at least, I assume that's what you're linking for) it was also talked about why "loudness" controls don't really work.
I agree it would be cool if it could work, but I'm guessing the answer will still be "no".
It sounds like this community is resigned to it being impossible. Even though it is.
How very disappointing.
Rex
Legend!
These are examples of continuously-variable "loudness" controls on consumer-grade hi-fi equipment. They've been available on consumer equipment for at least forty years. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever offered it on pro audio gear, because that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Hi-fi loudness controls don't have to be accurate. They just have to be not-objectionable. The sound they output will never be mixed with anything else, so it doesn't have to balance with anything else; it doesn't have to fit in with other instruments. If you did this with pro-audio gear, you'd have to dial in your best approximation of what would be a correct amount of compensation, but you'd still have to dial in bass and treble (at least) to match the live situation. So you haven't really simplified anything — you've really just increased the number of things that you (or the sound guy) need to adjust.
Couple this with the fact that the Fletcher-Munson curves aren't linear (the amount of change depends on exactly where you started and how that differs from the next situation), and you can see why professional gear doesn't have "loudness" controls.
chris
Legend!
the community doesn't design the device.
lqdsnddist
Axe-Master
By about 50dB the audibility curves are already pretty darn flat, at least within the typical freq range of guitar, and 50dB isn’t too loud for a headphone level. To me, the whole reason for headphones is being able to listen at decent levels without disturbing others, such as late night.
Will have to look on the stand and see if it had a label, it was pretty cheap, so maybe a MF house brand or something. Nothing fancy at all, but does the job really well
unix-guy
Legend!
To be very honest, I trust Cliff when he says it doesn't work more than I trust you saying it does
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Thanks! The stand looks solid and like just what I need. It does remind me of a MF brand. I want what you have pictured! Is it this?
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/musicians-gear-deluxe-amp-stand
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Sure. But Cliff is just an echo chamber here when compared to Yamaha. Think about it.To be very honest, I trust Cliff when he says it doesn't work more than I trust you saying it does
chris
Legend!
oh please. that's rude. jeez... sure he's talking himself into a tizzy and can't accomplish anything *rolls eyes*
what's with all the people coming here recently, after YEARS of the axe's continued success and just saying "oh do this it's easy"?
do you even know anything about how Yamaha works? i do. it's not what you're implying.
unix-guy
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King’s X - Jason
Inspired
Let’s see.
I have just figured out to make my amp models better... years later.
I have just figured out to make my reverb models better... years later.
I have just figured out to make my drive models better... years later.
And so on...
I have just figured out how to allow users to enjoy a significant improvement in how the Axe FXIII sounds at different sound levels...
IMPOSSIBLE! Cliff is always right and never wrong.
Isn’t this patently ridiculous?
Think about it.
King’s X - Jason
Inspired
You are a part of the echo chamber. A company as large as Yamaha has nothing on one bright guy? I don’t think so.
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