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Red Wire Cab Marshall Cab "Formula" Suggestions

dieter

Inspired
redwire said:
Hey mixers,

The online mixIR will now spit out files in WAV and Axe-Fx sysex formats. Thanks to AlbertA for generously contributing his sysex conversion code.

Hi Mike
just did a mix of two caps and I'm not sure wether the converter on your site works or not bcause if I use the sysex file which I got from your site , the mix is at least 6 db louder and much more treble. When I download the Wav file and convert it with AlbertA's tool on my computer every thing looks fine and the file is as loud as all the others Redwirez I've got on my computer
Dieter
 

redwire

Inspired
dieter said:
redwire said:
Hey mixers,

The online mixIR will now spit out files in WAV and Axe-Fx sysex formats. Thanks to AlbertA for generously contributing his sysex conversion code.

Hi Mike
just did a mix of two caps and I'm not sure wether the converter on your site works or not bcause if I use the sysex file which I got from your site , the mix is at least 6 db louder and much more treble. When I download the Wav file and convert it with AlbertA's tool on my computer every thing looks fine and the file is as loud as all the others Redwirez I've got on my computer
Dieter
Well, it certainly is possible that it doesn't work right. I don't have an Axe-Fx to test with. I looked at the frequency plot and the converted IRs should not have more treble. It may sound like it if it's 6db louder, though. I don't do any normalization before the conversion, like AlbertA's converter, so I'll have to see what level he normalizes to and replicate that.
 

redwire

Inspired
Ok. I tried normalizing before converting and now the online converter produces files identical to AlbertA's converter. Thanks for the heads-up.
 

mortega76

Fractal Fanatic
I just went through the couple of pages and created the mix of each cab that Scott created (still haven't tried them out but I've already got them ready to load'em up!!!)... any way we can get all the mixes setup on the first post the way GM Arts has it setup?

Example:

(1) Scotts_902_Vintage_Marshall.txt
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-R121-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.50
Basketweave-G12Ls-421-Cone-3in.wav,0.50
 

Stratoblaster

Fractal Fanatic
I've been using this 4x12 mix for my FRFR patches:

Marshall1960A-G12Ms\Neumann U87\Marshall1960A-G12Ms-U87-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.5367
Marshall1960B-V30s\TC30-Ref-FarFields\Marshall1960B-V30s-TC30-OffAxis-2m.wav,0.463
Marshall1960A-G12Ms\Ambient Mics\Marshall1960A-G12Ms-KM84-BackCab-1in.wav, 0.0003

I remove a lot of ~4.1KHz -> 4.2KHz in a fairly narrow notch and further shape the ends with a PEQ. The ambience mic is really low in the mix but does add 'woof' and dimension...but I might add in a bit more ambience level and play around further with back placement, since, after a few of gigs, I've got a better take on how things translate between my home reference and live environments.

I mixed for, and use this cab, at "rock band" levels for live stage use; not for bedroom/moderate/ear phone levels, and use the Global EQ to fix differences in response between venues and the level you finally settle into once the band starts playing.
 

Axisman5150

Veteran
Here are some cab recipes based on Scott's "V7" recipes from this thread
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15235

1)Hiwatt Fanes Mix R121-sm57-boc

HiwattSE4123-Fanes-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
HiwattSE4123-Fanes-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
HiwattSE4123-Fanes-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

2)Marshall 1960A-G12M's Mix R121-sm57-boc

Marshall1960A-G12Ms-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-D6-BackCab-0in.wav,0.028

3)Marshall1960B-K120s Mix R121-sm57-boc

Marshall1960B-K120s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-K120s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-K120s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

4)Marshall1960B-T75s Mix R121-sm57-boc

Marshall1960B-T75s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-T75s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-T75s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

5)Marshall1960B-V30s Mix R121-sm57-boc

Marshall1960B-V30s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-V30s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Marshall1960B-V30s-KM84-BackCab-3in.wav,0.028

6)MesaRectifierV30s Mix R121-sm57-boc

MesaRectifierV30s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
MesaRectifierV30s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
MesaRectifierV30s-KM84-BackOfCab-3in.wav,0.028

7)Orange4x12-V30s Mix R121-sm57-boc

Orange4x12-V30s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Orange4x12-V30s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Orange4x12-V30s-KM84-BackOfCab-0in.wav,0.028

8)Thunderbolt Mix R121-sm57-boc

Thunderbolt-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Thunderbolt-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
Thunderbolt-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

9)TweedDeluxeBlue Mix R121-sm57-boc

TweedDeluxeBlue-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TweedDeluxeBlue-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TweedDeluxeBlue-KM84-BackOfCab-0in.wav,0.028

10)TweedDeluxeP12R Mix R121-sm57-boc

TweedDeluxeP12R-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TweedDeluxeP12R-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TweedDeluxeP12R-KM84-BackOfCab-0in.wav,0.028

11)TwinD120s Mix R121-sm57-boc

TwinD120s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TwinD120s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TwinD120s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

12)TwinJensenC12N Mix R121-sm57-boc

TwinJensenC12N-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TwinJensenC12N-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
TwinJensenC12N-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028
 

Raca

Veteran
Wow! Thanks everyone for sharing!
I am a fresh BigBox customer and I 'll have to try all these...
 

Axisman5150

Veteran
Here's the mixes (Scott's V7) of the new Redwire cabs.

BasketweaveG12H30s Mix R121-sm57-boc

BasketweaveG12H30s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
BasketweaveG12H30s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
BasketweaveG12H30s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

JC120-Roland12s Mix R121-sm57-boc

JC120-Roland12s-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
JC120-Roland12s-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
JC120-Roland12s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028


VoxAC30Silvers Mix R121-sm57-boc

VoxAC30Silvers-R121-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
VoxAC30Silvers-SM57-CapEdge-2in.wav,0.486
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028
 

voes

Fractal Fanatic
redwire said:
Hey mixers,

The online mixIR will now spit out files in WAV and Axe-Fx sysex formats. Thanks to AlbertA for generously contributing his sysex conversion code.
Thanks! I really love this feature.
IMHO AlbertA deserves a live-time subscription on all the (new) Redwirez cabs!
 

Never1

Regular
here's my favorite IR of the basketweave G12H30s (I threw in the back of cab from Scott's formula)

BasketweaveG12H30s-C414-CapEdge-0_5in.wav,0.486
BasketweaveG12H30s-R121-CapEdge-1in.wav,0.486
BasketweaveG12H30s-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.028

I've got this on a mesa rectifier patch w/ another cab formula and it sounds killer!!
 

AlbertA

Forum Addict
voes said:
redwire said:
Hey mixers,

The online mixIR will now spit out files in WAV and Axe-Fx sysex formats. Thanks to AlbertA for generously contributing his sysex conversion code.
IMHO AlbertA deserves a live-time subscription on all the (new) Redwirez cabs!
Yeah he does! :lol:
 

mtmartin71

Veteran
I tried the R121/SM57 mix again, much like Scott is using (I think Pete Thorn spawned the cap edge 2" thinking, but it could be the other way around). Anyhow, I tried them tonight in practice and I just couldn't get with them. The SM57 adds a fizzy comb filter effect to my 4x12s that bugs me. I don't get that with just the R121. I guess my ear must hear it differently because I know the SM57 is a popular mic but man, that recipe really adds a harshness particularly with the V30. I guess it will make it cut differently but it doesn't sound as nice to my ear. It makes me feel like I've got the hearing problem since it's such a popular mix here (and at TGP).
 

yek

Moderator
Moderator
AFAIK Scott is down to just 57's now, for the most part.

Are you running stereo out, summed or copy L>R?
Does the comb effect also occur when using just a single SM57?
Did you use a stereo cab, or two separate cabs?
When using a stereo cab or two parallel cabs, you should pan the IRs L/R.

P.S 1. A few cab/SM57 combinations don't work for me. For example, the Orange sounds terrible (to me).
P.S 2. If it's too bright, try CapEdgeOffAxis 0" or Cone 1" instead.
 

Scott Peterson

Global Moderator
Moderator
yek said:
AFAIK Scott is down to just 57's now, for the most part.

Are you running stereo out, summed or copy L>R?
Does the comb effect also occur when using just a single SM57?
Did you use a stereo cab, or two separate cabs?
When using a stereo cab or two parallel cabs, you should pan the IRs L/R.

P.S 1. A few cab/SM57 combinations don't work for me. For example, the Orange sounds terrible (to me).
P.S 2. If it's too bright, try CapEdgeOffAxis 0" or Cone 1" instead.
I am using 1" cap edge SM57 for every speaker (almost) and combining different speakers with that IR if I do, but not always. Following Pete Thorn's recipe.

Good questions from Yek - all would need to be known to breakdown what's happening.
 
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