I must say I'm really proud to have removed the option to change your vote and see other people's votes before voting. We have quite a nice spread.
This +10000 times. If you've ever done phase inversion tests you'll know that even adding something like a different cable or using a different mic preamp will be close to impossible to get this quiet. Like you said, they are identical within margin of error. If you can't hear phase inversion in the mix like you can't in this case = it's the same thing as there not being and audible difference for you in the mix. The votes are pretty even that also supports the theory.I think it all comes down to people expecting to be some difference there. Once the phase inversion test is so incredibly silent, it means it is identical within margin of error. Put your mic in front of the cab tomorrow and you will not get absolutely indentical sound as today, because of tiny positioning differences.
btw: Mikko, would you ming sharing wav of this particular impulse?
I think it all comes down to people expecting to be some difference there. Once the phase inversion test is so incredibly silent, it means it is identical within margin of error. Put your mic in front of the cab tomorrow and you will not get absolutely indentical sound as today, because of tiny positioning differences.
btw: Mikko, would you ming sharing wav of this particular impulse?
Nothing is impossible but that would take a lot of time. I actually did this kind of a comparison in different phases by comparing the Mesa Mark V preamp to all the preamps in the Axe-Fx and the Friedman preamp was closer to my Mark V than any of the USA Lead amp sims.Now the Question is could you
Get the same sound removing the amp same IR everything but using the Fractal Mesa Model
Damn I always forget about the ABX test!! 50/50 odds kind suck because you could go fully randomly and still it's very likely that you'll guess correctly. Next time I will do it!This is a very strange, but all the more interesting test. I first listened to the two clips (wav versions of course!) on my laptop via its speakers. Of course crappy, but well, there was nothing at hand the first moment. My first impression was, that they were totally different. Of course I realized that this cannot be the case, so I listened a second time. Now they seemed closer, but I still prefered version B. Listening a third time I couldn't really hear a difference anymore.
So I got up, took my headphones for a more precise comparison. Still thought I hear some difference. But the problem was: I knew which file was playing and since I've already chosen version B to be my favourite, I still thought B was better.
What finally made the difference was an ABX test. It really is the only method that we should use in such cases. When I did this double blind test, I still got 62% right, but this also means that in many cases I was wrong.
So, my conclusion: They are not 100% identical, which we know is the truth, so nothing new here. BUT it's possible to hear the difference. It's not easy, some with better hearing than me could definitely go to 70-90% accuracy on an ABX test. BUT ALSO I'm very certain that in a mix it's completely impossible to hear any difference.
Yeah it's like I said, no need to feel good or bad no matter what you voted for. With 50/50 chances when you get an even divide, it means that neither sounds better than the other based on the poll.Great, so 50/50...no one wins! .
Yeah it's like I said, no need to feel good or bad no matter what you voted for. With 50/50 chances when you get an even divide, it means that neither sounds better than the other based on the poll.