Re-arrange grid, levels don't match

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Wildwind

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Not sure how to say this...just bought an AX8. Long-time Axe-Fx user.

A couple of years ago, I re-arranged my patches (on the grid) into two row using Send and Return Blocks. AX8 doesn't have these.

So using the Axe-Fx, I am putting them all back in a single row (they just fit), deleting the Send and Return along with some unused blocks (like a 2nd delay and PEQ).

Still on the Axe-Fx for my canvas, comparing the two patches, the tone sounds identical, but there is level dropoff of maybe 3 dB for the new patch. BTW, I am using Scenes. At this moment, I've only compared Scene 1, essentially a clean Urban Twin. I'll check the rest here in a minute but expect the same result.

I can't explain the volume reduction (maybe the Send and Return boost/buffer a bit?) and I'm curious as to the best way get my 3 dB back. First try increasing the output on the Amp block generated a tone change with a bit of distortion. Second try I did kick up the Cab block 3 dB and that gets back most of it. Will try raising it again but not sure if I'm doing more harm than good.

When I get them set up on the Axe-Fx, I'll transfer them to the AX8 - where other surprises may await!

Make sense? I hope so. Any thoughts?
 
post preset files or at least screenshots. otherwise we are guessing hundreds of possibilities.
 
Here they are. I would appreicate your insights.

I did turn up the Cab block's level 5 dB which did seem to work nicely. And the level changes did affect all three Scenes.

Thanks!

One more addition, if I could. CPU usage was only 72% on the Axe-Fx, but 88% on the AX8. I'm new to the AX8 but believe that is dangerously high. Am I correct? I know I'll get a bit without USB. I just don't want any trouble when using the AX8 live. This matrix is typical for my uses.
 

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Wildwind said:
Here they are. I would appreicate your insights.
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You posted an Axe-FX II preset and one AX8 preset. I'm assuming these presets with the same routing/settings seem to give the same output level on the utility menu's meters. Is that accurate?

To figure out why the 5 dB cab level increase was needed to maintain level, we need to see two Axe-FX II presets: one before and one after rearranging the grid. Not the "after" preset plus converted AX8 preset.
 
Wildwind said:
One more addition, if I could. CPU usage was only 72% on the Axe-Fx, but 88% on the AX8. I'm new to the AX8 but believe that is dangerously high. Am I correct? I know I'll get a bit without USB. I just don't want any trouble when using the AX8 live.
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Yes, that's in the danger zone for the AX8.
 
Sorry! Posted on the way out the door, pre-caffeine. Will have to do this after work.

Bakerman, I did not check the levels, was only going by ear. Obviously I have more work to do.

yek, thanks. I need to do more trimming. What is a good target number? I do realize a "one size fits all" patch is unwise and have no problem customizing for each song to stay out of trouble.
 
Wildwind said:
Here they are. I would appreicate your insights.

I did turn up the Cab block's level 5 dB which did seem to work nicely. And the level changes did affect all three Scenes.

Thanks!

One more addition, if I could. CPU usage was only 72% on the Axe-Fx, but 88% on the AX8. I'm new to the AX8 but believe that is dangerously high. Am I correct? I know I'll get a bit without USB. I just don't want any trouble when using the AX8 live. This matrix is typical for my uses.
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Are the levels between Axe and AX8 different? Is that what we are trying to solve? I'm confused.
 
No. The revised patch set, created on the Axe-Fx, is about 5dB quieter - on the Axe-Fx.

It's not a problem. I made the adjustment. But Scenes and the AX8 are new to me and I thought maybe I missed a step. I haven't done the same comparison on the AX8 yet.
 
Okay, here are the correct patches for your perusal. Sorry for messing this up.
 

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Okay, here are the correct patches for your perusal. Sorry for messing this up.
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in your original preset you have 2 PEQ blocks - one at +8 dB and another at -11 dB. in the inline preset, there is only 1 PEQ at +4.

this could be a source of level difference.

in your original preset, you have a parallel row near the end that joins back with itself - this adds level. the inline preset does not have that, meaning it has less level.

those are the 2 main things i'd look at. regardless, it shouldn't matter too much as to what makes less or more level per preset. just set something to get the level you want. i typically stick with the Amp Level parameter.

however, if you have major differences among Scenes, it's probably due to the PEQ blocks that are on/off in different Scenes in the original preset.
 
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