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Problem - Friedman ASM-12 in stereo

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Thomas Obester, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. #1 Thomas Obester, Apr 11, 2019
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    Thomas Obester

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    Hi Guys,
    I am happy owner of ASM-12 for over a year now. A few days back I have bought a second one, brand new.
    I am using them pole mounted. What I have found is very weird. The new one is much more pleasing sounding.
    What I mean by that is that the new one is much more focused, tighter, clearer. The difference between old and a new one is like a flubby recto vs tight friedman. I am using the same cables, monitors are set at exactly same height. Low cut is enabled on both monitors. I also tried to switch the low cut off on both to see if maybe one of them is wired incorrectly. At the moment I have no idea what could be the cause. I have always thought that my first asm sounded great but after receiving a new one, I am not so happy now. It´s hard to tweak the sound if one has overbearing bass and another one is tight..Any suggestions ? I´m using AXE AX8 in mode L+R SUM, not stereo...maybe this is the problem ? thanks in advance
     

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  2. chucma

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    Have you tried swapping the cables in the back of the ASMs? I.e. unplug the one the sounds flubby and plug its cable into the new ASM.

    Also, I think new speakers have to wear themselves in when you get them, but what you are saying sounds a bit extreme so I'm not sure it is that.
     
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    Hi, yes, I did exactly that, but sound is still the same. I also think new one needs some time to be broken in. But the new one is nice and tight, so I don´t want to be looser over time :)
     
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    Definitely sounds like the speaker then. Was your first ASM bought brand new as well? Or was it second hand?
     
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    Both has been bought brand new. It´s not broken, it just sounds way different, Like difference between 10inch vs 12inch speaker
     
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    I'd email Friedman and ask if there have been any production changes that would explain the sound difference. If there are and you prefer the newer one, you could buy a second new one and sell the original.
     
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    They obviously changed something in the design. Sell the old one, buy another new one.
     
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    Is there any way to know if there has been a design change ???
     
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    No. If you ask them they'll tell you it hasn't changed even it has.
     
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    Open both up and see if you can spot any differences?
     
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    Why wouldn't they disclose a change? "The new ones sound better" seems like a pretty good selling point.
     
  12. #12 brianv4, Apr 12, 2019
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    If they were able to improve upon the design in any way it kind of implies the previous version was inferior? I don't see anything wrong with that. Lot's of companies come out with a version 2 or Mark II etc ;-)
     
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    you never know, it might have a different speaker in it. this happened to me when i bought two marshall 1x12's. the store i purchased them from were happy to switch out the speaker i didn't like and replace it.
     
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    Except they didn't advertise the change (if there was one) as a version 2 or Mark II. They obviously chose not to disclose for a reason they thought was necessary, so if they were to disclose it it'd be a change of behavior.
     
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    Would a serial number list help ?
     
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    My AX8 and two Friedman ASM-12 Monitor stereo setup sounds great. I don't sum to mono. Maybe you are experiencing a phase issue? I don't believe any of the specs have changed. Dave has been busy releasing several new products. You can email him directly to confirm, and his live chat is very helpful.
     
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    Last few days I am experiencing even worse behavior of my older ASM (flubby one)..It is starting to resonating internally in a bad way when playing even at low/moderate levels (70-90 dbs)
    Also even when plugging to grid with cable, it sounds like the monitor is going to make short circuit, (I have tried 4 differenent cables and all the cables works ok with other ASM).

    I think there´s no other way but to send it for check/repair.
    Did any of you guys had that problem ever with your ASM ?
     

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